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Hi, I'm trying to trace my maternal grandmother, who was a Keirven. Her family originally came from Ireland via a few generations around Newcastle in the UK.

We've been able to trace Patrick Keirven to Patrick KIRWAN who was baptised in the Church of St. Brigid, Four-Mile House, Co. Roscommon (Kilbride Parish). I have a copy of the certificate that Fr Browne produced following a search in 2004, showing Patrick being baptised in 23rd Feb 1843 to Martin and Sara Kirwan.

Given that it is a fairly unique name for that area and time, I've been able to use the LDS indexes (including getting some microfilm shipped to my local LDS centre and scanning throug it) to build a resonably good picture of the Kirwan family at the time. There seems to have been three brothers; Martin, Robert and Peter.

Each of these boys had an eldest son called Patrick, so I'm assuming their fathers name was Patrick (is this a valid assumption?)

So based on the LDS copies of the parish records I put the family structure as:

Patrick Kirwan & unknown wife

    * Martin Kirwan & Sarah ?
          o Patrick (b. Oct 1836) – died as infant
          o Margaret (b. Jun 1839)
          o Patrick (b. Feb 1843) – the ancestor we’re following
          o Mary (b. Nov 1845)
          o Catherine (b. Aug 1848)
    * Robert Kirwan and Mary McDermott
          o Patrick (b. Feb 1843)
          o Catherine (b. May 1844)
          o Martin (b. Nov 1846)
    * Peter and Bridget Ryan
          o Patrick (b. Feb 1846)

However, all I can find are baptism records. I can find no birth records, marriage records, or death records that relate to the various individuals. For example, Martin and Sara baptised a boy Patrick in Oct 1836 and then another (my ancestor) in Feb 1843. Our assumption is that the first Patrick died early. But I can't find any records of the death.

Can anyone help with information on the births, deaths and marriages of the three brothers; Martin, Robert and Peter?

Thanks for any assistance.

Thanks Ian. What's a PR?

I've found the record for Henry born of Richard and Pamela in pilot.familysearch.org. It lists a Baptism/Christening in 1851 at LAVERSTOCK, WILTSHIRE, ENGLAND, and a Birth in 1831 at same (Laverstock, Wilts, Eng). Google maps doesn't show me a Winburne, but does seem to indicate it's near Salisbury. Laverstock shows as a relatively new area in Salisbury. Could these indicate the same area and person?

This conflicts with the 1851 census that shows Wilscombe, Dorset (or Wivelscombe, Somerset)? I wonder which piece of info is reliable?

I've checked the census records for the residencies/families for Richard and Pamela and have the following:

Year	Address	Father	Father Occn	Father PoB	Mother	Mother PoB	Children
1841	St Edmund, Wiltshire	Richard (43)	Bellows mkr		Pamola (31)		William (11), Henry (9), Richard (7), Robert (5), Rebecca (2)
1851	St Edmund, Wiltshire	Richard (56)	Bellows mkr	Portsea, Hampshire	Pamala (41)	Shaftesbury, Dorset	William (21), Henry (18), Richard (15), Robert (13), Emma (7), Elizabeth (4), Charles (2)
1861	Alverstoke, Hampshire	Richard (65)	Worker	Portsea, Hampshire	Pamma (52)	Tisbury, Wiltshire	Emma (16), Charles (11)
1871	Alverstoke, Hampshire	Richard (77)		Portsea, Hampshire	Pamalia (61)	Tisbury, Wiltshire	none

So this family is consistent (other than Pamela's spelling, and her place of birth changing). It also shows Henry (at age 18) being at home in 1851 but gone  by 1861, consistent with having left for Australia.

The 1851 census gives Henry's place of birth as Wilscombe, Dorset (can't find this in Google maps) and his brother William as being born (~1829/1830) in Wellington, Somerset. I'm not an expert on UK geography, but these places seem to be at the opposite end of the country.

Perhaps Richard married Pamela sometime just before that. Her est. DOB is around 1910 based on the census records, so they were unlikely to be married before 1827/1828? And it may have been somewhere near Wellington, Somerset.

Hi I'm researching my wife's family tree and I'm having trouble with the first Doughty to arrive in Australia. He was Henry Doughty.

I have a marriage certificate that lists the following info:
- Groom; Henry Doughty, bachelor, b. Portsmouth England,
painter, age 24, residence Ballarat
- Grooms parents; Richard Doughty, Jane Wells
- Bride; Jane Miller, spinster, b. Cambusbarron Stirling Scotland, dressmaker, age 21 (or 27), residence Ballarat
- Brides parents; David Miller, Mary Johnstone

His marriage was in Jan 1858, so that would make DOB sometime around 1834.

I've found his arrival into Australia in 1851 (Oct, onboard "Constance"). The record indicates a birth year of 1832.

Also, there's an 1851 UK Census record that shows an 18yo Henry Doughty living in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England. It shows his birth place as Salisbury and he's not living with any other Doughty's in the house. This gives him a birth year of 1833.

So I have:
1. Year of Birth 1832-1834,
2. Place of birth maybe Portsmouth or Salisbury
3. Parents Richard Doughty, Jane Wells

From here the trail gets hazy. I can find no birth/baptism records that reasonably match this data (there is a baptism in 1851, perhaps he was baptised before sailing to Aust). I can't find any records of a Richard Doughty marrying a Jane Wells around/before 1832-34.

Can anyone help with information on Henry?