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Thanks for the replies

I've been trawling through the 'James Swain's' born in Herts in the 1850's and Middlesex aswell

I've accounted for all of the one's i have found apart from the James Swain living with Mary Swain (Warby) and Benjamin Lowen

It seems that Mary married William Swain. As suggested in Trish's message she is then living with her father in the 1851 census

She then has Benjamin Lowen living with her as a lodger aswell as a James Swain, who's name subsequently changes to James Lowen (It might be the other way around i haven't got the census sheets to hand)

Mary and Benjamin don't get married until the 1880's...........

I think i'll have a go at Trish's suggestion and order the Birth Certificate for the James Lowen born in Edmonton

What i really need to do is try and find out if James Swain & James Lowen are the same person

The James Swain i  am looking for married Eliza Bigg in Islington. Eliza and the Bigg family are from Weston, Herts. On the marriage certificate James father is named as Benjamin, a sawyer, which was suggested as Benjamin Lowen in  a previous message.

At some point in the late 1890's the family moved from the Islington Workhouse. Most of their children were christened in Hitchin on the same day and their abode was stated as the Hitchin Workhouse. James and Eliza's oldest son, James (My Great Grandfather) was sent to live with one of his Aunt and Uncles in Derbyshire, which must have been better than remaining in the Workhouse

Thanks again for the replies

I'm trying to trace the death of Eliza Swain (nee Bigg)

Born Weston, Herts abt 1853
Married James Swain in Islington 1878

They had six children :-

James B. 1882
Fanny B. 1886
John B. 1887
Lizzie B. 1892
Daisy B. 1895
Rose B. 1897

About a month after Rose was born all of the children, apart from Daisy, were christened in Hitchin (15/5/1897).

After that date all of the children turn up in workhouses and fortunately for my G.Grandfather James he was sent to live with his Aunt & Uncle.

We can only guess at the moment that Eliza may have died during Rose's birth but have been unable to track down a death certificate for Eliza.

Any help would be kindly appreciated

There are four Thomas GIBSONs buried at Williamstown - one has a date 1989, two are shown with two forenames so I guess that leaves one.  There is a map showing where the grave is but no death or burial date (strange!!).

There is, as you say, no death date shown, but I do see, for your interest that the  THOMAS you refer to, Judith, shares the grave with a GEORGE WILLIAM GIBSON.

Location is C of E. 27.5. 005

Sue

That sounds promising as both George & William are names that occur in al of the generations we have found so far.

Thanks
Robert

When I was researching at Lincoln archives a while ago, I discovered a death record at Alford from the 1820s of a Gibson an itinerant glass worker, who was buried at Alford. I gave the details to Doncaster Family History Society for inclusion in their strays index.Can't remember his Christian name if recorded, or any other details, but it was published in the DFHS Magazine, period 1998-2005. It was the Yorkshire connection that made me tell DFHS

Thanks for that Much appreciated

Yes that's what i've got

They're living in Warmfield cum Heath (Wakefield)

Nice to add more detail and confirm a few loose ends. William's brother George is one of my Gx4 Grandfathers