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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Saturday 30 December 23 11:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Alex

Just had a read of your post on the Linacres, I like it, there is nothing like a good elopement in one`s family history.
Perhaps it’s a family tradition as my gg grandmother Emma Roberts went off to St Nicolas in Liverpool in 1862 to marry Jonathan Smith(b1841) the g  grandson of our Richard Smith(b1755).
I gather that was a place for elopements.
She gave birth to their first child a short while afterwards(within a day or two), so perhaps that was the reason Jonathan`s family may have felt that she had forced is hand.
Yes I had missed the bit about Nancy & Martha being 1st cousins.
Thanks for answering my other questions I was just curious. I thought you would have said if the place of residence for John`s marriages had been given, quite frustrating that they were not filled in.
Sadly I have not done my DNA, however it may not prove a match as it may be doubtful that Emma  Roberts who married Johnathan Smith in 1862  was not actually living with him when she gave birth to her daughter Emma Smith in Bury 1869. I think their marriage had broke down, as he marries again! Obviously bigamously.
I am also not quite sure how DNA works on Ancestry, I will have to have a look on the their site.
It would be great if anyone else has something to add.
Sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Friday 29 December 23 20:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Alex

Firstly what a fantastic piece of detective work. I have not replied sooner as there is a lot to take in.
My reply is only about your response yesterday, not the one today, I haven`t had time to fully consider that one.

Just to set out what I think is the case from your research that you outlined yesterday.
We have two family trees for the Richard Smiths that are in Bidston/Moreton

Our John Smith`s Tree
Robert Smith(West Kirby)  marries Margaret Holt 1715 Heswall
Children: John (1716) Samuel (1718) James (1720) Richard (1724)
Robert Smith dies 1729

Robert Smith`s son John Smith(1716) 1st marriage to Catherine Inglefield(b1716) was 1739  (Catherine buried 1747)
Children from 1st marriage: Catherine, Ann, Mary
          2nd Marriage to Mary Yearsley (1704) was 1750 (Mary buried 1776 Storeton Bebington)
Children from 2nd marriage  Mary (1751) , Richard (1755), William (1754)
John Smith(1716(Heswall)) death at Storeton, Bebington 1780
Richard Smith Jnr (1755) marries Nancy Linacre in 1775

The other Smith Tree
Thomas Smith born (1704(West Kirby))
Marries Margaret Langley 1733 Hesswall
Children: Thomas Smith (b 1734)  +
Margaret dies 1745
2nd marriage to Sue Ciknes at Bidston Church, Thomas Snr & children live in Bidston after marriage of Thomas Snr
No children from 2nd marriage
Thomas Smith Jnr marries Martha Woodward  in Bidston 1761
Children Richard smith born 1764 in Moreton
Richard Smith marries Martha Linacre  1785 Bidston church


Connection

John Smith 1st Marriage to Margaret (unknown)
Children Robert  Smith born 1680 West Kirby
Death of Margaret Smith 1695
John Smith 2nd Marriage to Mary Young
Children of Second marriage Thomas Smith(1704) Margaret (1697) John (1699) Samuel (1702)

Thomas Smith(1704) & Robert Smith 1680 ARE COUSINS
Both give rise to Richard Smiths ie Thomas Smith has a grandson Richard b1764 marries Martha Linacre
Robert Smith has a grandson Richard Smith b1755 marries a Ann Linacre


Questions
When did Thomas Smith Snr remarry Sue Ciknes?
Have you got any DNA matches from the Robert Smith Line?
John Smith son of Robert Smith do both of his marriages ie to Catherine Inglfield & 2nd to Mary indicate he was born in Heswall?

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Friday 22 December 23 08:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi alexreg

I haven`t used Roots Chat since my last entry which feels like a long time ago, so I am now a but rusty with using it, so I apologise if I make some mistakes.
I have just been altered via e-mail to your post.
I am quite interested Alex in what you have found could you send me the trees that you have made?

Sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Tuesday 06 December 22 18:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you David

Yes that line of reasoning sounds sensible in that Richard was born in 1755.
The siblings would be named after their father & mother I presume.
I hope that you find something, as I am not coming up with anything.
Will look forward to your future posts.

Sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Monday 05 December 22 16:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi DCB

There is an entry for a marriage of a John Smith to a Mary Moss 1750 Bebington on Find my Past, but I don`t think that is what you mean by proof, would you mean a will or something similar?
The Cheshire Parish records are very good at occasionally providing details of grandparents at baptisms as already mentioned for your Betty, however they don`t seemed to have done this for any of John & Mary`s children, only Richard & Nancy`s.
I am very wary of using other people`s trees and they don`t always provide rock solid evidence.

Sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Monday 05 December 22 15:57 GMT (UK)  »
DCB  that`s really interesting.
As I recall you have posted before.
Did you manage to get past John Smith, ie John Smith who may have married Mary Moss?

Sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Sunday 04 December 22 10:23 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Goldie

I have only been doing family history for about 10 years and I have to admit that I paid for a researcher to help me out with the Smith side of my family, however the pennies only stretch so far and now I am back on my own and not really getting very far.
But as you say some times you can come across things by accident that lead you back another generation or at least link things up.
Thanks for your help.

sue

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Saturday 03 December 22 17:49 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much Goldie

I did later have a look on find my past at the possible marriages of John to Catherine & Mary on Find my past, they are indeed register entries. ( I found out that you can look at one or two things for free on the Cheshire Archives website using find my past)
Yes I am now aware that at around the time I am looking at ie early to mid 1700s there weren`t really entries for parents of the spouses unless by license.
Which obviously makes the whole search for previous generations more onerous.
You can tell I have not got very far back with my family trees to not be too aware of this.
I think what I need to do is get a map that shows all the villages around Barnston to give me a better idea of the possibilities of who could have met up with who and ended up in a nearby village.
I do get your point about people moving around in those days, well at least in the locality.
With respect to John Snr, I thought he had died in Bidston in 1758.
I know things will not be straightforward with a name like Smith.

Sue


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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: When & Where did John Smith marry a Mary?
« on: Friday 02 December 22 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Goldie

Thanks for your response, sorry I couldn`t respond earlier.
As with much of my family history the Smith side do give me a headache.
However I am unsure mine are from Bebbington, but I have sure that I have ancestors who lived in Barnston Common & Moreton ie Johnathan Smith, William Smith & Richard Smith, who I have mentioned before on this forum.
But I am unsure about any coming from Storton.
I have been able to get back to a John & Mary Smith who I found mentioned as grandparents at the Christening of a Betty Smith(born 1779) the daughter of Richard Smith and Ann Linacre from the Cheshire Parish Register Project and this was at Bidston, but before that I am unsure where they have come from.
I may have been casting the net to far to Bebbington.

Sue

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