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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Monday 14 February 11 22:28 GMT (UK)  »
"Perhaps someone who has access to the Lydd Parish Registers would be kind enough to see how many Mary Leeds  were born around 1760/1770 in Lydd, Kent as this may be of assistance in clarifying this problem."

The Leeds name did not arrive in Lydd (from High Halden) until mid 18th century, when John Leeds who had settled in nearby Brookland married (1) Elizabeth Kite in Lydd 1855 - they were married 12 years before her "firstborn" child Elizabeth is recorded in 1867  that child died 1771, her mother died 1770.   John L married (2) Mary Baker in Lydd 1772.   They had a daughter Mary  (I haven't found a baptism for her but many of the Lydd entries in 18th century are missing or illegible) he also had daughter-in-law Mary of around the same age who was married to son William and she had their only legitimate son William who died age 8, however, William Snr. started having his 8 children by Elizabeth George within about 4 years so either of those Marys could be having the illegitimate children.    Any other Mary Leeds at that time was not born in Lydd, although later some were born in early 1800s, but there were linked families in other villages, for example Marden, who had the odd Mary.   On IGI there is an Elizabeth born 1783 to a Mary Leeds, but this doesn't fit potential age of John Leeds' daughter Mary unless she was pregnant v.v. young and I have no other information on this one.   Is she the same or yet another?   There is also an entry for a son of John and wife's name given as ANN but this must be a transcription error because it was during the 9 year period of John's second marriage to Mary Baker with children being born on dates either side. 

My money is on an unmarried Mary of Lydd having a series of liaisons, but I have not been able to find records to prove it without any doubt.    There are bastardy settlements against Brackenbury and Impett.    Although John Leeds witnessed and signed the document, this may not have been in his capacity as a grandfather of the illegitimate child as he was also an Overseer of the Poor and a Juror.     Unfortunately he did not leave a will when he died in 1799 which could have helped , unlike his son William who proved his paternity of his 8 Leeds-George children baptised at Lydd.

There are  Lydd burials for Marys, one is John's 2nd wife in 1781, one is probably for the Mary counted at William's home in 1841 who died later that year and for whom age at death matches, although no relationship is given so it is not clear whether this was his legal wife or his sister.    Elizabeth George, his partner of 20 odd years died in 1824 soon after the birth and baptism of her child Mary, I haven't found any further record for this infant. 

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Monday 14 February 11 15:03 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately, I have not been able to link your Jane Wood Leeds for certain with the main Leeds family as there were a few Mary Leeds in Lydd, single and married, during that period of time so it's difficult to identify her accurately.       

In case this helps someone, I have recently discovered what happened to the surviving child Michael Leeds (2) born in 1799 in Lydd to one of the Mary Leeds, mentioned in previous mails.   He married Elizabeth Chamberlain of Hythe and died young at Hythe leaving small children who were probably raised by their Chamberlain maternal grandparents as they are with them in 1841 and 1851 census for Hythe.    One of these orphans was yet another Michael, who emigrated to Australia in 1854, was involved in gold prospecting, owned a mine, sold it after he lost a lot of money in a fire.   He married twice, had 10 children.   He has descendants in Australia and New Zealand.

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Monday 14 February 11 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
I had a Thomas Bass Leeds born 1809, but had not noted details of his mother.   He was illegitimate, no father recorded but it was likely to have been Thomas Bass who lived in Lydd at that time.     There are a few Leeds women having illegitimate children at around that time (late 18th and early 19th centuries).    Various fathers were Pope, Brackenbury, Impett, Blacklocks, Bass, Wood.   

As I think I mentioned previously, some of the IGI information is incorrectly transcribed as there are instances where the original parish registers give Leeds as child's middle name, not their last name.

Mary

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Friday 20 August 10 16:24 BST (UK)  »
The Mary Leeds who had at least 3 of the children listed (I don't know about the Wood child which I have never noted before) was unmarried.   There is a bastardy settlement for the Michael Impett children.     There is a later bastardy settlement for Mary Leeds against R. Brackenbury "late of Lydd" for  child Catherine.   It is likely that this Mary was the daughter of John Leeds and his second wife Mary Baker (this couple is my direct line via their son William).    The other Mary Leeds mentioned in my reply of 1st August to the other message was married.    There are 3 burials for  women named Mary Leeds at Lydd.    3 Nov 1841, aged 69, and 29 Dec 1830 aged 68.     The earlier Nov 1781 burial was the 2nd wife of John Leeds above.   There was an extensive Wood family in Lydd during that period, but I have not yet found any connection with the Leeds-George family until 1850's.   

It is worth noting that there seem to be errors in the Lydd transcripts now on IGI.    For example, some of Elizabeth George's children 1801 to 1824 are listed with the incorrect surname of Leeds, whereas  in the registers, they were listed with the middle name of Leeds, last name George.    (They appear to use either surname, or both, in subsequent records and census returns throughout 19th century and beyond. )       

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Tuesday 03 August 10 13:40 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, I don't have any more than stated in my previous message re Mary Walker (m 29 Sep 1793 Wm. Leeds, both "of Lydd" according to register) except the notes on her son.   "1st, male, born to Mrs. Wm. Leeds delivered 9th Oct 1796" source Wm Waylett's midwife records.    baptism for Wm Jnr. November 1796 at All Saints Lydd but death and burial "in 9th year" at All Saints, Lydd + Duncan Leland's MIs for Lydd - (Kent Archaelogy website) tie in with the birth record.      My connection is via one of the 8 half siblings of that child, fathered between1802-1824 by her husband William Leeds b 1774 - d 1856. 

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Sunday 01 August 10 22:49 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, misleading you there, Mary Walker was probably daughter of Thomas not James - should have checked my database before replying.   Still the same links to Wm Leeds though.

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Kent / Re: Lydd Parish Registers
« on: Sunday 01 August 10 22:26 BST (UK)  »
This is my direct line.    Mary Walker was the daughter of James Walker.    She married William Leeds and had one son, who died at the age of 8 and was buried with his grandparents, John and Mary Leeds.    His father William was buried with them when he died in 1856.    I am not sure what happened to Mary, there are some burials for various Mary Leeds, but at least 2 of them were a sister and aunt of William.    William had at least 8 illegitimate children with Elizabeth George from c. 1802 to 1824.    He made a will and divided his estate between them.    This couple started the Leeds-George family of Lydd.   Some descendants used the double name, some Leeds, some George ..... just to confuse us!    I have extensive records of this family.
 

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Ireland / Re: List of Cromwellian Soldiers
« on: Sunday 27 June 10 23:53 BST (UK)  »
Mmmm.   Worrying strategy.  Basic rule.    Never work downwards, always upwards from yourself.

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Cambridgeshire / Re: Tylers of March Cambs
« on: Friday 09 April 10 11:19 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Rosie, we are already in touch.
Mary

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