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Ireland / Mary Ann Worth b.c. 1816 Ireland
« on: Friday 15 March 19 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
Have reached a dead end at the moment with Mary Ann. Her father was Samuel Worth. On several censuses she is cited as born in Ireland. She was married to a Mr Smith at some point before 1840. I cant find a record of this. Then she marries Nathaniel Warner and lives in Pulborough, Sussex, England working as a Baker. On a later census she is listed as Elizabeth Mary. I'm so confused. I would really appreciate some help with her origins especially the Irish connection. Many thanks

I dont think there is any harm at all researching an unusual first name. One of my ancestors is a Defiance. Looking into that name opened up much of my research into that line and I discovered many cousins with whom I'm still in touch. Obvs do your evidence finding but enjoy 😀 p.s. I'm an honorary Stokie. Hope your getting somewhere with your Potters ancestry x

Travelling People / Re: Traveller musicians
« on: Thursday 27 December 18 17:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

Have just discovered that Hercules Smith was my 6th GGuncle. My family go down through Wisdom Smith, James Smith, Defiance Smith (who married Robbie Penfold) Eliza Penfold who married Henry Holland. Down the Holland line to me.

I'm fascinated to learn that some of the lads were Gypsy Fiddle Players. I'd love some more info as my Dad, Henry Holland,  still alive at the the ripe old age of 93, has Dementia but is still very interested in our heritage,

Very many thanks
Ellalaine  :)

Thank you :)

Thanks Omega. Makes perfect sense. Agnes was my 2xggm. Fab. Moving on much quicker now. Very grateful  ;D

That's great. Thank you so much. I had a record of a Nathaniel Warner married to a Smith but I discounted it. Time to have another look.

Very many thanks for all the information. I will be able to make a start on that now

Best wishes


Sussex Lookup Requests / Mary and Nathaniel Warner, Pulborough, Sussex help needed!!
« on: Wednesday 13 June 18 16:11 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for info about Mary  born c. 1812 in Ireland
She married Nathaniel Warner (1810) from Pulborough in Sussex and is down as a "baker". Nathaniel worked as a Miller's Labourer/Ag. Lab.

1841 Census they are living in Lower St, Pulborough
1851 Census two doors up at The Red Lion Inn
1861 Census Railway House , Horsham,
1871 Census Camberwell, Surrey   Mary is stated as blind
1881 Census Camberwell, Surrey.   strangely Mary no longer stating an Irish birth in last two Censuses and in 1881 named as Elizabeth M. Warner. She's is the same age as Mary would be and also stated as blind.

I need to find out if
a) 1871 and 1881 Censuses are the same people as 1841/51/61
b) Did Nathan Warner marry two blind wives (?????) or
c) Is Mary Warner going by an alias in 1881 as Elizabeth M (could M be Mary?)
d) Where in Ireland was Mary born
e) What is her surname and parentage?
f) How did she come to be in Sussex and meet Nathaniel
g) Anything else

Any help with Mary would be most welcome

P.s Nathaniel's parents - William Warner ( c.1788) and Sarah Pledge,
Nathaniel's grandparents - Nathaniel Warner (c. 1766) and Mary Scutt
(C. 1764)

Many thanks  ???


Travelling People / Re: ORCHARD/PENFOLD
« on: Wednesday 14 April 10 10:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi Robwen,

I have recently seen Defiance  (my 3x GGM) bound for the USA in the 1850s, written as Fanny.  She was married to Robert Penfold. They travelled around the West Country.

Got loads of family research. Let me know if I can help out with any other stuff,

Best Wishes,

Ellalaine  :)

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