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Hi Yvonne,

We should write up all of our resent research to this Forum here so others can keep up to date regarding Jamie Murray of Howford Mill and the other Murrays related.
Also the DNA matching results to our various Murray families from this area because not all Border Murrays were descended from the Murrays of Falahill.

Kind regards
Alexandrina Murray.

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Australia / Re: Rachel Murray b:1872 Kimbriki NSW possibly died 1947 Randwick NSW
« on: Saturday 02 December 17 09:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Anne,

I have a copy of the book as well.
Also inside the Kirk at Bedrule I saw a visitors book where a member
of your family had left the inscription printed inside. So future
generations should be able to see it as well. Such a shame that
the stone is laying flat because the inscriptions are now almost
completely unreadable due to weathering. Just as well that a member
of your family went over there prior to this happening. I obtained the
copy of the book from Alex Murray of Kimbriki-Taree around 35 years ago I suppose,
not sure - but ages and ages ago.
Thank you for reprinting it here. :)

Alexandrina Murray

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Australia / Re: Andrew E Murray:said nephew Of Sir Walter SCOTT
« on: Saturday 02 December 17 09:25 GMT (UK)  »
Yes and this is where the discrepancy arose. That entry is definitely incorrect.
Sir Walter explained in correspondence still extant that Andrew Murray was noticed
by him whilst in employment at Abbotsford I presume, as a Labourer , and that he appeared
to be a talented lad so Sir Walter took him under his wing and I believe gave him the
references necessary to be employed in Sydney at Botannical Gardens - am unsure if
Parramatta as well etc. I have a reader's ticket also so can check and re-post Sir Walter's
correspondence. I have it filed somewhere.

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Australia / Re: Andrew E Murray:said nephew Of Sir Walter SCOTT
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 20:09 BST (UK)  »
Perhaps you are not following this thread any more;

Just to reiterate that Andrew Murray was NOT a nephew of Sir Walter Scott.
That information is totally incorrect. Andrew was, according to Sir Walter Scott
himself ..a talented young man who he employed at Abbotsford and sponsored as a
student Gardener. He recommended Andrew for a horticultural position in New South Wales.

Andrew came from the same area as our Murrays in Scotland however ours arrived in
the 1920's and Andrew arrived early 1800's. He owned a farmhouse nearby to where I
live (at Beecroft in Sydney) . That Farmhouse still partially stands in Murray Farm Road Beecroft
however the M7 Motorway cuts across the old grounds.

A later Andrew Murray also from this family also lived in Beecroft and came over from Scotland
later. I think he may have purchased the old farmhouse in Murray Farm Road as well.  There is a
school in the street named Murray Farm Public school and the children wear the Murray tartan.
Both the street and the school are named for these Murrays. Although Andrew the 1st usually lived
at Parramatta and Sydney city, he also maintained the farm at Beecroft.

Sir Walter Scott's hand written reference for Andrew Murray can be found in the State Library of NSW in Macquarie Street Sydney.

Alexandrina Murray
Murray Clan DNA Research Project

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Australia / Re: The Murrays of Bedrule & Hawick
« on: Saturday 15 July 17 10:01 BST (UK)  »
Then it looks like we were possibly there at the same time because I was there firstly in May then again in June.
James Russell took me to Bedrule Kirk and to the grave site of your Murray ancestors there. The stone was laying flat on the ground and un-readable. I took some photos , so can send.

Alexandrina

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Anne,

What month last year were you at Hawick?
I was there too, for a week solid researching the Murrays at Hawick Hub everyday from opening
until closing. I took hundreds of photos. Stayed in a B&B in Drumlanrig Pl in MAY -June.

Alexandrina


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Australia / Re:Murray of Bedrule & Hawick to Australia
« on: Thursday 13 July 17 05:22 BST (UK)  »
Thank you again Anne,

I am wondering how it is that you know about the Forbes connection?
Was there some evidence in the archives?
I suppose that you are remembering the old stories published regarding
an Andrew Murray coming to the Borders from Aberdeen area - or Braemar in 1600's
who was thought to be the progenitor of this line. However the YDNA analysis
clearly shows that your Murrays are descended from the Murrays of Falahill, via
Archibald de Moravia. The Murrays of Cockpool and Annandale are also related
back in the early 1200's when the lines split. These are Border families who have been
resident there since the mid 1200's. It could be argued that some branches stayed up
in Morayshire though and did not come to the Borders until later, however seems doubtful.

When more Murray men from this line test via Y-DNA testing we should have a clearer
idea of the Hawick -Bedrule Murray line lineage by tracing their unique mutations through
time.

Regards,
Alexandrina Murray

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I would be interested to hear about any news on your James Murray of Yarrow born in the mid 1700's as well. He might be Jamie Murray from Howford Mill. He was an elder of the Yarrow Kirk however also a dissenter.

Alexandrina Murray

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I would be interested to hear about any news on your James Murray of Yarrow born in the mid 1700's as well. He might be Jamie Murray from Howford Mill. He was an elder of the Yarrow Kirk however also a dissenter.

Alexandrina Murray

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