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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: REDMAN in Speen
« on: Tuesday 09 July 13 04:02 BST (UK)  »
Just found that also on Familysearch + this;

Melicent RIDMAN Christened 01 December 1803, St Martin, Salisbury, Wiltshire
Birth 19 April 1803
Parents JOHN/ELIZ
Siblings;
ELIZABETH, 18 April 1802/Birth 19 Oct 1801
MARY ANN, 21 July 1805/Birth 13 June 1805, Buried 04 March 1806
SARAH, 24 June 1810/Birth 31 May 1810


Trish :)

That certainly looks promising, and moves her age at great^2 grandfather's birth to less awkward numbers. Although she would have to have been a bit coy about her age in later life.  :)

Thanks Trish, and to everyone else too. One further question though: in genealogical circles are we content to rest on familysearch results, or should we get a direct image or transcription from the parish registers? I ask as the PRs are 16,000 km away. Might be a researcher near Salisbury perhaps?

Dale

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: REDMAN in Speen
« on: Tuesday 09 July 13 03:41 BST (UK)  »
Was the 1871 record I posted Millicent with new husband?

Kay

Edit - As below

1871 Living in Edgebaston Birmingham and listed as born in Salisbury?

John R Poutney    57 Leather Merchant b Warwick
Millicent Poutney 61 b Salisbury Wiltshire
Mary Ann Dawson 23 Servant
Hannah Pritchard 19Servant

RG10 Piece 3081 Folio 17 Page 25

This is possibly her; the "R" in John's name is definite there, where other records have "K" (for "Kieves", "Keeves" - but with an "R" it doesn't sound any less probable). A bigger constraint is her age as given - 61 in 1871; great^2 grandfather was born in 1822/23.

Dale

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: REDMAN in Speen
« on: Monday 08 July 13 11:27 BST (UK)  »
How clever - agree  ;D  I think she is still alive in 1881 but can't see her.  Does she lift a birthplace other than Wiltshire?

Kay

Probate puts her death in 1890 (in Surrey, under "Pountney"), but I have never located her in the 1871 and later censuses.

Dale

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: REDMAN in Speen
« on: Monday 08 July 13 11:04 BST (UK)  »

The 1851 census was the first to ask the question "Where were you born?".
Obviously answers vary! Some put county, or city, or town, or hamlet, or even farm!
There were (and are!) no hard and fast rules. ::)

The Gloucestershire bit is ditto'd from the lines above. It is possible that the enumerator meant dittoed from mum's line?!


EUREKA!!!

Millicent's birthplace is simply Wiltshire! ::) ;D
Written as "Wilts shire"!
<Blush>. You're right, I think. Enumerator wrote "Wilts". . . thought that's a bit short, and just stuck "Shire" on the end. Oh well. Great^3 grandmother Millicent remains a woman of mystery.

Dale

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: REDMAN in Speen
« on: Monday 08 July 13 08:24 BST (UK)  »
I may be wrong but I think Speen is in Berkshire(sorry you posted under Berkshire).

Did she marry in 1856 John Keeves Pountney and in 1861 in she living as a mother in law with her daughter Charlotte Miller and son in law James E Taylor and family in Claines in Worcestershire?
RG 9 Piece 2109 Folio 7 Page 11

If so could his be her in 1871living at Edgebaston Birmingham and listed as born in Salisbury?

John R Poutney    57 Leather Merchant b Warwick
Millicent Poutney 61 b Salisbury Wiltshire
Mary Ann Dawson 23 Servant
Hannah Pritchard 19Servant

RG10 Piece 3081 Folio 17 Page 25

Kay

Yes, that would be her. I posted under Berks as I wondered if the parish had been part of Wiltshire sometime earlier, as places further east had been. With regard to the findmypast transcription, on the previous page of the census is the word "carpenter" (for Peter Pledger), where the "p" closely resembles the second letter of her birthplace. We're getting down to aspects of regional accents and transcription here, but I thought perhaps "Spine" = "Speen". It is possible that the word is "Spere"; there is one reference online [ http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getfaq.php?id=529 ] that might imply a placename but extremely localised. Interestingly, it's near Salisbury. But wouldn't the census entry refer to a parish, village or township?

KGarrad: Yes, I could have wished for better handwriting.  ;D

Another point: at least two of her children were listed as born in Highworth, GLS. However, there's a Highworth in Wiltshire, as opposed to what now appears to be a tiny part of Cheltenham. I should add: her "common law" husband from 1822 to his death in 1846 was a wealthy man - William Miller of Ozleworth Park in Gloucestershire. These various places of birth (or at least baptism) for children imply a fairly mobile life.

If there was a Speen baptism to more or less match I would feel less insecure about my assumptions.

Dale

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / REDMAN in Speen
« on: Monday 08 July 13 05:51 BST (UK)  »
Hello

Looking to see if a Millicent or Melicent REDMAN was baptised in Speen in 1808 give or take 1 year. An 1851 census entry gives her place and year of birth as "Wiltshire, Spine" and 1808. Obviously, I'm taking a punt on a number of assumptions, but Spine, Wilts does not seem to have existed.

In hope . . .
Dale

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: John Hathaway
« on: Thursday 28 February 13 14:57 GMT (UK)  »
Victor...

Could I impose upon you for a moment, or several; or even quite a few: it would help reconstructions if I knew who was buried etc as follows:
  • MORSE in Newington-Bagpath, Kingscote or Boxwell/Leighterton between say 1770 and 1850;
  • MILLER or MILLARD from 1740 _backwards_ in Boxwell/Leighterton - esp. "Pansford" or similar;
  • SHAKESPEAR in Newington-Bagpath or nearby Tresham in Hawkesbury parish, if it had its own cemetery, from 1700 on to say 1850 when they sort-of disappear (census);
  • HATHAWAY you've covered, but are there HATHAWAY records for Ozleworth - St Nicholas of Myra? Via the MILLER/MILLARD connection there should be one or more there.
We'll quietly skip HOLBOROW as they are legion. All these families are inter-connected in what I've been able to discover so far (as a descendant of the MILLERs of Ozleworth Park), but as they all had a depressingly limited repertoire of christian names it's very confusing. I've tried baptisms and marriages; time to try burials.

Thanks, hopefully in advance
Dale
In somewhat damp Queensland


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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: John Hathaway
« on: Thursday 28 February 13 14:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Victor - all grist for the mill.  :)

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: John Hathaway
« on: Monday 25 February 13 11:08 GMT (UK)  »
Just to clarify a a couple of points:
  • Charlotte HATHAWAY nee MILLER had a brother, 2 years or so younger - William. Their parents Richard MILLER and Hester PARSLOWE got around to marrying in between them. It was that sort of parish.
  • The brother owned Ozleworth Park in their lifetimes - he inherited from his uncle
  • Two of Charlotte's daughters married an ESSEX each, David and Mark (in order, uncle and nephew), respectively Charlotte and Caroline.
  • Charlotte (mother in this picture) inherited a certain amount from her uncle and mother, and elsewhere. But not in the Will of her brother; a messy divorce situation of his made it all problematical. Technically his entire family was illegitimate. What property etc passed between them when both were alive is obviously unrecorded.
  • Meanwhile, their (Charlotte and William MILLER)'s mother, Hester nee PARSLOWE, remarried fairly quicky following the demise of their father Richard MILLER - to a John MORSE.
  • Hester and John had a couple of sons, John and Thomas. Thomas in turn had three daughters (known, any other offspring unknown), Sarah, Harriet and Margaret MORSE.
  • Aforesaid Sarah MORSE married a son of Charlotte and John HATHAWAY, another John; the latter is the man who turned up at Duntisbourne Abbotts (spelling?)
  • In a couple of census returns Sarah HATHAWAY nee MORSE's two sisters turn up, presumably as visitors, and as being "of independent means"; possibly because their father Thomas's estate yielded a bit; he occupied (don't know about "owned" outright) Newington Farm - still exists, I gather, somewhat gentrified.
  • Charlotte HATHAWAY nee MILLER and John HATHAWAY had a son who held a commission in the Army; he has a memorial in Ozleworth (St Nicholas) churchyard - Edwin HATHAWAY.
  • The water is murkier; John HATHAWAY husband of Charlotte was a son of Thomas HATHAWAY and Margaret; Margaret had been a Margaret MORSE. Her father William MORSE was the grandfather of the Thomas MORSE mentioned above, and hence John HATHAWAY junior and Sarah MORSE were distantly related. It's a small parish, too. :-)

Er... well I hope that's clarified something. I would love to know more about what your "newly-found relative of the Compton family" might have been told in the distant past; the most obscure-looking detail can shed light on otherwise baffling mysteries - and with our lot there are a few of them.

cheers
Dale (descendant of William)
Queensland

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