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Dublin / Re: Henry Elliott SMITH x 2, Father and Son
« on: Tuesday 02 September 14 22:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lilian,

My father's family were Dubliners, and my grandfather only came to Australia in or about 1919. His birth certificate records his mother's name as Isabella Anne Brabason. However, his older siblings' birth certificates record their mother's maiden surname as Isabella Anne Browne. His father, Henry Elliott Smith, was married to Isabella Anne Browne, not Brabason. She was one of at least two daughters of Stephen and Jane Browne (nee Bailey). Her sister was Martha.  I don't know if it is relevant but there is a lot of Huguenot blood in the Smith and Elliott families, with their forebears moving to Ireland in the wake of the St Bartholomew's Day massacres.

I have spent some years trying to get to the bottom of this, and can not find any rational explanation, hence my belief that it will probably remain a mystery.

Thank you for your interest: knowing little of how these things worked in Ireland in the 19th century makes it a bit hard to find answers, especially from such a distance.

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Dublin / Re: Henry Elliott SMITH x 2, Father and Son
« on: Monday 01 September 14 22:05 BST (UK)  »
Hello Lilian,

Thank you for taking the time to respond with this. However this is not "our" Isabella and the reason that my great grandmother's maiden surname is recorded on my grand father's birth certificate as Brabason must remain a mystery.

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Alexander Brown, Ironmoulder
« on: Monday 20 January 14 00:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Kipper,


A great many thanks for what you have found out: you have achieved more in a few days than I have in five years. I am currently travelling and won't be home for another couple of days but will get back to you after I have been able to see where your new info takes me. Thanks again.
Regards,
Terry

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Alexander Brown, Ironmoulder
« on: Thursday 16 January 14 04:54 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Kipper,


Having gone through everything again I can find no proof of his name, although the family remembers him as John. The dates I gave were based on an early attempt to find him based on that name and may not be reliable. Going back to first principles, as his first children were born in the 1840s, I suspect that he was probably born in or around 1820, and as my grandmother's memories of him only come from her lolly buying years, I suspect that he probably died somewhere around 1890 give or take a few years. Sadly none of that is of much help.

The family names (Ada, Agnes, David, John, Margaret and Jeannie) and the similarity of occupation (allegedly a major supplier of decorative ironwork in Derry) seem to suggest a connection, but like you I have been unable to make any connection in surviving records. Thanks for what you have done so far to try to find the supposed link. I will keep trying to find some evidence one way or the other.

By the way, my g grandmother Jeannie Cunningham nee Brown/e was born in Glendermott on 19 Feb 1855 and died in Belfast on 10 July 1920.

Thanks again,

Terry


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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Alexander Brown, Ironmoulder
« on: Wednesday 15 January 14 07:07 GMT (UK)  »
Since writing the above this morning I have reviewed all of my family material again and am now even more confused. The following is an extract of a brief family history written by my grandmother, Ada (nee Cunningham), daughter of Jane "Jeannie" McMillen Brown (sometimes with an e and sometimes without) shortly before her death. I apologise for its length but I hope that it might jog some memories if we are indeed related:

"2.   The Brownes 

My maternal grandmother was a dainty, petite, and attractive woman; Margaret Rutherford Browne,  one of three sisters, descendents of Dr Samuel Rutherford, the Presbyterian Divine. They were wards of the Horatio Bonars in Glasgow, Scotland.

Grandma lived with her eldest daughter, Agnes Robertson (nee Browne) in Derry. Other children :

a.   Auntie Mag Lowry (nee Browne) was a teacher and a great favourite in our home, when on holidays before her marriage.

b.   Aunt Ada married and went to America. – I remember seeing her only once afterwards, when she came on a visit to Grandma in Londonderry.

c.   There were two sons, John Brown and David (?)  whom I dimly remember as coming to say goodbye to my parents before sailing for South Africa.

Mother used to tell us of her visits to her aunts in Glasgow, and of spending days and evenings in the home of one of the poet preachers - Dr Horatio Bonar.

I was told that Grandfather Browne was responsible for most of the decorative iron-work – railings etc – in Derry city. I remember him as a big, affectionate man who lavished sweets and pennies on us children, We spent those coppers in a little, dark shop two steps down from the road, where a little old woman dispensed thick sticks of caraway rock and peppermint out of jars with tight-fitting lids. Whenever I spent a few days at Grandma Browne’s home, I wondered at, and was rather scared by the rows of big, equal-sized gilt-framed portraits adorning the dining room walls, but wakened with delight to the sound of the sirens, steam whistles “blowing” and movements of shipping on the River Foyle, and at the wharves.

On Boxing Day we always had the Robertson family from Derry come for the day. Father and Uncle A  went off shooting with a party of local men, coming home just in time for dinner, with rabbits, hares, and birds of various kinds, that lasted both families for a week afterwards. On 30th October they used to come to celebrate All Souls’ Day, or All Hallows’ Eve, with us. We used to look out excitedly to see them coming up the street from the railway station with Father, who had gone to meet them. There was usually a whitish mist rising from the ground. We children did not go to meet them, but they appeared through the gathering darkness, and celebrations began almost before they were indoors. Uncle and Auntie, Daisy, Jean, Alex, George, and Jim.

Apples were hanging on strings suspended near the ceiling, tubs of water on the floor contained more apples, with a supply of forks, dropped from the mouth to spear them with. White sheets as wraps for “ghosties” to dress in, to hunt for cabbage stalks and so discover the names of our future life partners. Each person carried a cabbage stalk from the garden, then, clutching it firmly, listened outside someone’s window – any name overheard in the indoor conversation was supposed to be the name of the clutcher’s wife or husband-to-be! When the water and apples and tubs etc had been cleared away, nuts were produced. They were placed in pairs on the bars of the hot grate, where they burned side by side, watched excitedly, while they flamed calmly together or spluttered and spat at each other, thus prophesying what each couple’s future would be like!

Our cousins would stay all night, returning next day to Derry by an early train. Daisy and Jean, Edith and I shared one bed, pushed up close against the wall, and sleeping cross-wise instead of length-wise."

Since the John Browne the Engineer and Iron Founder who died on 29 June 1897 was married to a Sarah, I am wondering if my gm Ada Cunningham's recollection of Margaret Rutherford Andrews as her grandmother on the Browne side might be not quite right or her recollection of the iron works might be not quite right.

I have included the extract in the hope that it might jog the memory of someone who knows the family, as I would love to be able to confirm my ancestry on this line, and I haven't had much success so far with my limited research skills. In any event, the descriptions of a life style long gone might be of interest to others.
Terry


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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Alexander Brown, Ironmoulder
« on: Tuesday 14 January 14 20:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Alex and Kipper,

The world may even be smaller than you think. As suggested earlier I appear to be related as well although I cannot find a definite link. I am the gg grandson of a John Brown (1830-1900), allegedly a major supplier of iron lacework in Derry so surely of the same family, who married Margaret Rutherford Andrews, and their daughter Jane (Jeannie) McMillen Brown (1855-1921), who married John Cunningham (1847-1919), and their daughter (my grand mother) Adeline Rutherford (Ada) Cunningham (1879-1970) who married John Wesley Smith (1878-1961). I would be delighted if either of you could help with proving/disproving the link.
I have since discovered second cousins from the same line in Canada as well as the UK, and of course there is a sizeable bunch of us here in Oz. Truly fascinating to see how we have spread.
Cheers,
Terry

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Derry (Londonderry) / Re: Ferguson, Gortnessey & Cunningham, Primity
« on: Wednesday 04 December 13 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Benbane,


Thanks for making contact. It is nice to meet another cousin. I have sent you a PM with my email address.

Terry

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Dublin / Re: Help with address: "Shandon", Leinster Road West, Rathmines, Dublin
« on: Wednesday 20 November 13 03:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Sinann.

Terry

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Dublin / Re: Help with address: "Shandon", Leinster Road West, Rathmines, Dublin
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 23:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Aghadowey,


Please accept my apologies: I was on a real high at the time after finding it at last.

Terry

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