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Carmarthenshire / Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 10:31 BST (UK)  »
This may not be of any particular interest to David but Daniel and Mary Davies's son David ("Reverend David R. Davies") emigrated to USA in 1885 and was ordained as a Congregational Minister. He and his wife settled in Clay County, Iowa, where there were many Welsh families, and they had two daughters. He died there in 1893. His wife Ellen Roberts died in 1939.

Hi Lloyd,

Again, sorry for not responding sooner... for some reason I hadn't realised additional posts had been made to this thread!
Could you just confirm that this is the David Davies that was born in 1858?

thanks,
David

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Carmarthenshire / Re: William Evans, Elizabeth Davies and their parents - any help?
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 10:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello Smeatons, I have a John and Mary Davies in my tree, who were my ggg grandparents.
They lived in and milled at Felin Newydd in 1861, but I don't know if they are related in any way to your Davies, so many of them around, such common names... Both were born in the area, Mary's maiden name was Isaac.
My parents have visited the mill and met the owners at the time - I have some photos that may be the same as the ones on the website link, but I can't seem to open them on the link to compare. I'm attaching one of the main building, I also have an interior photo if you haven't seen it.
My John moved around a lot and milled at least four different mills in the area - I have never been able to identify his parents for the usual reason - every second man was named John Davies!
Caroline.

Caroline,

Sorry for not replying sooner... for some reason I didn't get notified about your posts. :-(
I don't believe our Davies are related, my understanding of the history of the millers is as follows:

1836 John Davies was recorded Miller.
1836 He was replaced in the same year by James James. His tenancy was brief as he died the following year. The title was passed to his wife who was still milling in 1841.
1851 Edward Edwards
1861 John Davies in 1861
1871 John Williams
1874 Daniel Davies who remained milling until 1903 at the age of 85.
In 1905, Anthony Williams became tenant. He purchased the Mill in 1918 from the Edwinsford estate for the sum of £725

I would very much like to see a photo of the interior if possible as the mill is now closed to the public, so I'll never get to see all the fascinating things I know are in the mill relating to my family :-(

best wishes,
David

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Herber Society
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
hiraeth

Thank you! This seems to make sense as Rev John Camwy Evans completed his course at Bala-Bangor College in 1915.

Thanks for the pointer.

regards,
David

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Caernarvonshire / Herber Society COMPLETED
« on: Saturday 13 November 10 00:09 GMT (UK)  »
I'm currently planning a trip to Wales in order to visit Bangor University archives, Caernarvon Records Office and the National Library of Wales in order to research Rev. John Camwy Evans in more detail.

I have come across a newspaper cutting whilst researching him which, among other things, talks about the "Herber Society". The text of the newspaper cutting is given below for reference. Unfortunately I don't know which newspaper it is from and I only have a rough date of when the article was published, which is late October / early November 1931.

I have so far failed to find any references to the Herber Society in any archive search I have made. I assume it is in some way related to the church, but can anyone provide me with any further details?

Many thanks,
David

WELSH NEWS
Caernarvon Pastor Leaving
Presentations to Rev. Camwy Evans
A meeting was held at Pendref Congregational Chapel, Caernarvon, to bid farewell to the Rev. Camwy Evans, pastor of the church for about sixteen years, and for a period a representative of the town on the County Council. Mr Evans is leaving to take charge of Lloyd-street Congregational Church, Llanelly. The Rev. E. J. Owen (Salem) presided, and the devotional part was taken by the Rev. J. Wesley Felix.
The Revs. R. H. Williams (Chwilog), Ellis Jones (Bangor), and Mr John Parry (Bethesda) spoke on behalf of the county association and the quarterly meeting respectively; the Rev. D. Hoskins for the Caernarvon Evangelical Council; Messrs Jarvis, J. P. Roberts, and John Jones for the church at Pendref; and Alderman J. R. Pritchard for the church at Salem. Addresses were also given by the vicar (the Rev. John Morgan), the Rev. R. D. Rowlands (Anthropos), and Alderman R. E. Jones.
A wallet containing a cheque was handed to Mr Evans by the chairman on behalf of the town and district. Mrs John Williams (Pool Hill) presented Mr Evans with a gold watch and Mrs Evans with a silver tea service on behalf of Pendref Church, and the Rev. Griffith Jones (Bontnewydd) made a presentation on behalf of the "Herber Society."

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lol

I think I have a better chance with Spanish!

regards,
David

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Well, I think I'm making some good progress with all this!

The Welsh Mill Society has passed my email on to the current owners of the mill, so hopefully that will bring some good news in the coming weeks.
And although the mill is now closed to the public, I did find the original website about the mill here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031008084645/www.themill.biz/wm-history.htm

which gives some details of interest.

My conversations with the museum in Patagonia are going well too... seems like they would like to interview me on the radio when I go, which should be interesting! Thankfully they plan to ask me questions in English and will then translate my answers for the audience.

Many thanks for the photo links, I looked at Geograph for photos and found this:

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/388953

I use this site and Google StreetView quite a lot to see what places look like.

In my nosiness I also spotted that the mill sold for £445,000 in 2004 :-)
http://www.houseprices.co.uk/e.php?q=Llanwrda%2C+Carmarthenshire%2C++SA19&n=10&f=pd

Doesn't help with the family history, but it's interesting to know never-the-less.

regards,
David

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Sorry for the delay in responding, I've been travelling (still am) and so it's more difficult to get onto the internet.

Osprey - many thanks for the possibles you have flagged up. I'll certainly progress those as they look very promising.

Morgan - re the photo of William Evans - Yes, that's my man. The National Library of Wales has a number of letters from him too. I've actually got a more detailed scan of that photo sent to me by the library.

Thanks for the BBC link tooo... I've done a bit more research on this and alas the mill has been closed to the public for about 5 years or so now, but I've sent an email to the Welsh Mills Society who recently visited the mill and hopefully they will be able to put me in touch with the current owners.

I have also received some very good news from Patagonia. I'm visiting there later in the year and so got in contact with the museum in Gaiman. Turns out that they have a number of photographs of my ancestors at the museum and also know a number of living descendants of William Evans - it's going to be an interesting visit!

Thanks again to everyone for their help and interest.

regards,
David

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Morgan,

It's getting late so I'll check out the Evans one later today  :)

These are the census records for Davies

Code: [Select]
                  1861               1871               1881               1891               1901
             RG9 4127/6 Pg 5   RG10 5482/4 Pg 2   RG11 5386/22 Pg 15  RG12 4507/14 Pg 4  RG13 5101/13 Pg 1
                Parkwillim         Park Willim         Newmill             Newmill            Newmill

Daniel Davies    age 47             age 54            age 63              age 73             dead
Mary Davies   age 48             age 56            age 64              age 75             age 86
Daniel Davies     -                  age 23            -                   -                  age 52
Mary Davies   age 9              -                 -                   -                  -
Elizabeth Davies  age 7              age 17            -                   -                  -
Sarah Davies   age 4              -                 age 24              -                  -
David Davies   age 3              age 12            -                   -                  -
John Davies       -                  -                 age 7               age 18             -



1851
HO107 2471/7 Pg 7
Tyr Gwilim

Daniel Davies  34
Mary Davies 35
James Davies 9
John Davies 7
William Davies 5
Daniel Davies 3
Thomas Davies 1

regards and thanks,
David

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Morgan,

I've managed to find the Davies family on all the census returns from 1851 to 1901 now, collecting a number of new people along the way... plenty for me to work through there. Daniel dies somewhere between 1891 and 1901, Mary some time after the 1901 census. The family lived in Llansawell between 1851 and 1871. First child found so far was in 1842, so I should be able to start working out the marriage date soon. If I get to work out one of the birth dates of their children I should get details on their parents and most importantly Marys maiden name.

Thomas and Mary Evans are apparently from Betws a'r Trelech (taken from a book published in Patagonia about the settlers), but their son was born in Crug-y-bar (according to the book by Huw Edwards the newsreader) which is just down the road from Elizabeth and New Mill - which would make sense.

regards,
David

ps. thanks for the PM

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