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Breconshire / Powells of Aberbrane (Mills)
« on: Thursday 01 July 21 18:45 BST (UK)  »
I am researching an Ann Powell, said, without sourcing, to have been born in Aberbrane Mills in 1777.  I can see on the map that it is not far from Brecon, but I don't find a separate entry for Aberbrane in the listing of parishes.  In which parish would Aberbrane be, or have been in the 1770's?

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This is his naturalization card.   What we really need is a copy of the petition.

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I'm having a little trouble sending attachments to you as they are over the 500KB limit.

Perhaps you would like to send me a private message with your email and we can continue to correspond that way.  But absolutely fine if not.

However, I quoted in my previous email everything that was germane, and I don't have any other information.  But if you want a copy, I'll email one to you. 

It may be possible to get Benjamin's naturalization records, and I'll try to do that.

This is the relevant page from the History of Delaware County, O.

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I will chime in here as Benjamin Williams was my g-g-grandfather.  His daughter, Mary Olive Williams, married Thomas Wilson Algeo.   An old genealogy, drawn up by some unknown (but probably professional) genealogist for my great-aunt, says that Benjamin was born in 1817 in Brecon, Wales.  It says his parents are David and Ann.   I have seen the death certificate for which his daughter Emily was informant -- she says parents are Thomas and Ann, and born in 1818.  I will quote you what the anonymous genealogist had to say:  David Williams was born in Wales, unknown date.  He married in Wales about 1809 Ann Powell of Aberbrane Wills, So. Wales.  She died at Radnor Ohio July 17, 1848.
"David came to the U.S. in 1832 or 1834.  One date is given in his son Ebenezer's Biography [in?] "History of Delaware Co., O.,1880" [p. 781] and the other in the biography of Thomas Jones in the Delaware "Journal Herald" Feb. 19, 1908.  Date of death unknown but body was reinterred in Greenlawn Cem (L94 in 1863).   Charles M. Jones, his great grandson, tells the story that the Williams were a very wealthy family of millers in Wales and at one year during a crop shortage they cornered most of the available grain crop in a large part of their country.  Then grain was sent in by England the the [sic] corner was broken.  They lost heavily and came to America shortly thereafter - whether because of the loss or because of pressure of public opinion is not known.  ..brought to the U.S. with him, Ebenezer 3/10/1810 - 8/8/96  Benjamin 1817 - 4/3/1906 (s. Phoebe Seeley).....Gwenne married Thomas Jones, Thomas, Leigh and Robert. 

The info in Ebenezer's bio says that his father David died in 1834, in Columbus Ohio. 

I'm not very optimistic about sorting this out.  None of these sources are really primary -- Emily's information is closest, but I myself gave erroneous information on my father's death certificate, so I can't take her information as certain. 



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The Common Room / Re: Alternate definition of "widower" 1720 Middlesex County
« on: Tuesday 02 April 19 02:10 BST (UK)  »
Yes.  And to complicate matters, Mary Harvey Peirce was  non-Conformist, and in fact probably Baptist.  These marriages were often contracted somewhat informally. I don't know exactly why Mary Harvey and George Peirce married in 1700, but I note that it was at Holy Minories and not a regular parish church. 

George and Mary's son Harvey Peirce was baptized at St. Dunstan's.    The Harvey family to which Mary belonged had a fair amount of money, and I think Harvey was expected to be an heir, and my understanding (perhaps incorrect) is that an heir at law had to have been baptized.

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The Common Room / Alternate definition of "widower" 1720 Middlesex County
« on: Tuesday 02 April 19 01:49 BST (UK)  »
I have a marriage allegation dated June 11, 1720, in which Lawrence Huggins alleges that he plans to marry Mary Peirce, the "natural and lawful daughter of George Peirce, widower, of HMS Dartmouth now in the Baltick Sea...."     The word  "widower" is inserted with a caret sign in this sentence.  They plan to marry at St. Dunstan's Stepney.

In the following paragragh, a Richard Brown alleges that George Peirce is known to him personally, is presently on HMS Dartmouth in the Baltick Sea, and is a widower. 

Now this is odd, because at this very moment, George has a wife, also named Mary, who is pregnant with their last child, Harvey Peirce, baptized at St. Dunstan's Nov. 15th, 1720.  I have a marriage entry for George and Mary Harvey of 1720 at Holy Minories.  Mary Harvey Peirce lives on until 1764, and refers to the daughter of the marriage of the Mary who married Lawrence Huggins as her granddaughter (in here will). 

I know that the George Peirce who is the lawful and natural father, widower, was the boatswain on HMS Edinburgh when he died in 1730, and came to that ship from the Dartmouth.  So I think I have the right cast of characters.

But what, in this context, could be the  meaning of referring to him as a widower?  I know relationship terms don't necessarily mean the same today as they did 300 years ago, but I'm having some trouble understanding what widower means in this context.   Could this refer to an informal divorce?  Could it mean that Mary is his daughter by a first marriage, and her mother is actually deceased, so George is a widower with respect to that marriage?  The marriage allegation says that Mary is upward of Twenty (illegible) years.  So it is somewhat unclear that she is actually the issue of the union of George Peirce and Mary Harvey Peirce (1700).  Or, is this a marriage to which Mary Peirce's mother, wife of George, would not consent and did not know about? 

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The Common Room / Re: London -late 1600's to mid 1700's Baptist congregations
« on: Friday 15 July 16 17:20 BST (UK)  »
I am interested in English history as well as genealogy, and learning about this man and his social, geographical and historical context is a way of cutting into this particular period.  Also, he was an interesting man -- he seems to have accumulated a lot of wealth in a career somehow in the merchant marine service. But also, I have a faint hope that in these records, I might find clues as to who he hung out with, and through those leads, to family connections other than his sister.

His sister, Mary Harvey, died in 1764 and is described in the St. Mary Whitechapel burial register as aged 85, which is probably not entirely trustworthy, but seems to put her birth date around 1680, which is consistent with what else I know about her.  The most plausible baptism entry for her is for a Mary Harvey in Bull Run Independent church, Stepney, in 1680, parents John and Catherine.   But I don't have much confidence that this is the right Mary Harvey --for one thing, I haven't found a John Harvey with the same parents, in the right time frame and place.  And Catherine is not a name used by Mary for any of her children, nor does it appear as a granddaughter's name.  Also, there is some family silver mentioned in a will, with the monogram sHe, which doesn't support (or disprove) the idea that her mother's name was Catherine.   So, the long and short of it is, that I don't know who either of their parents are. 

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The Common Room / Re: London -late 1600's to mid 1700's Baptist congregations
« on: Friday 15 July 16 13:27 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all the suggestions.   I have looked at the sites suggested and they are very helpful. 

Just to fill you in ---- I have about given up hope of finding the parents of John Harvey (  ? -- 1747), but he was an odd duck in that he apparently was a Particular or Strict Baptist, which was about 1% of the total UK population at the time (at least according to one source) and doubly odd in that he was  a very wealthy man, which was not at all typical for Baptists of any kind at that period.  At least, as I understand it, and I would be glad to stand corrected.  The executor of his will was John Gill, quite a noted clergyman, in Particular Baptist circles at least.   And his sister, who is my direct ancestor, was a General Baptist, it seems, and these two denominations were poles apart. at least according to those to whom the theological differences between Particular (Strict) or General loom large. 

So I was (still am) in hopes of finding records of a congregation in which he took some part.  I'm aware that there are no registers per se, having seen the records of the Mill Yard Meeting House (General and Sabbatarian Baptist), e.g.    But I'm just interested in fleshing out a bit my knowledge of this man and his period and want to catch as many glimpses of him as I can. 

Again, thanks for all your help. 

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The Common Room / London -late 1600's to mid 1700's Baptist congregations
« on: Wednesday 13 July 16 01:57 BST (UK)  »
I'm researching a man who died in 1747.  He was very likely a Particular Baptist, and I wonder if I might find traces of him in the records, if any are extant, of London Baptist churches, of the Particular, or Strict, variety.  He would most likely be found in a Southwark or Wapping congregation.   Particular Baptists practiced a "believer's baptism"  meaning, if the parents of my man were Baptist also, he would not have been baptized as an infant in a C of E.  (I know that there are some exceptions.) 

Does anyone know whether any records of this era survive, and if so, where they might be found?

Santa T. 

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