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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Thoroughgood in Brighton
« on: Sunday 11 October 20 21:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi Tina
I did eventually find that Elizabeth remarried - but would still appreciate a copy of the cert as I don't see that I have it in my records. I've done a lot more research since this thread started nearly 10 years ago when I was just starting out looking into the family.

Elizabeth Singleton and William Thoroughgood were my 3 x g grandparents too, via their daughter Elizabeth Ann  :)

Hi again

Margaret married John Madden 14 Apr 1844 St John the Evangelist at Campbelltown NSW. She was as you already know, cousin of William Geaghan with whom she traveled to Australia. Margaret's father was James Givnan and her mother was Katherine McKeogh. Margaret was said to be an orphan on her arrival in 1841. She died at Grenfell on 16th July 1892. I have seen her name as Gibney, Ginnin, Givnan. Margaret couldn't read or write so her name was likely to have been recorded phonetically. There are very few records of the name Givnan in Ireland or Australia.

John Madden was born in 1818 in Clontuskert, Galway. His parents were John Madden and Bridget Whittaker. He too died at Grenfell in 1892. I have quite a bit more info and headstone pic which I'm happy to send you. I shall pm you if you like.

William Geaghan was my 3 x great Grandfather which makes Margaret my first cousin 5 times removed.

Kind regards


I have quite a bit of info on Margaret Givnan. Are you able to post a little about your connection and I'll have a dig in my records.

Kind regards

London and Middlesex / Re: St Thomas Church Lambeth
« on: Tuesday 14 April 15 09:13 BST (UK)  »
That's great Servty

Please post again once you can use the pm.

I'd be really keen to see your photos. Are you willing to give the name of your ancestor who was vicar there?  I'm interested in the local history aspect of Westminster Bridge Road.


Australia / Re: Lookup Required: "British Army in Australia" - SUGDEN
« on: Saturday 29 November 14 08:45 GMT (UK)  »

My chap was definitively not William Johnson Sugden. That chap arrived in Tasmania in 1830s but ended up Chief and Police in Melbourne and later a publican and died in 1862. There is some research published online that confuses WJ Sugden and my William. They are unrelated. There is also a convict by the same name - but not him either.

I've obtained everything there is in the NSW Records and lots from Kew for my chap who was in the NSW Veterans Company formed in 1826 and disbanded in 1829. He enlisted at Chelsea 3 Jan 1826 after responding to advertisements to re-enlist. Only men under the age of 50 years and with both thumbs could apply...!!

Likely to have arrived on Orpheus in Sept 1826.

The 1841 Census shows William living at Veteran's Flats nr Goulburn.

Thanks for looking


Australia / Re: Lookup Required: "British Army in Australia" - SUGDEN
« on: Friday 28 November 14 11:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Everyone

Thanks for all your useful suggestions and offer to look up - very kind Barry, thank you.

I've contacted the Librarian at NSWSL, but I'm a bit mystified now as I've been given this quoted paragraph (below) for an entry for William SUGDEN:

 "Served in 19th Foot Regiment, and 45th Foot Regiment before joining the Royal New South Wales Veterans Corp RNSWVC. Soldier’s pension awarded from Chelsea 4 June 1823. Residence NSW. WO120 Vol 69 page 191 Index 4558 PRO Kew." 

All the info is correct, but I'd been told it came from "The British Army in Australia", and need the exact citation to reference it properly.

Are there any other such publications that contain this sort of brief info that it could have come from?

I'm overseas so I don't have access to the usual local sources.

Kind regards

Australia / Lookup Required: "British Army in Australia" - SUGDEN
« on: Thursday 27 November 14 15:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hope someone here can help.

Looking for William Sugden in "The British Army in Australia" by James Hugh Donohoe.

I'm not local to look it up from NSWSL where I know there is a copy.

Can anyone help? I need any info plus the full reference including page number.

Thanks in advance


Family History Beginners Board / Re: sugden/wiseman
« on: Tuesday 18 November 14 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Norwich Lady

I realise this thread is a little dated now....

However, I'm researching Sugden in Chatham a little earlier than the dates mentioned here, and wondered if you had come across anything in your research to indicate the Norwich Sugdens may be linked to my William Sugden b.1800 Chatham, Kent..??

These birth details come from military attestation papers, but I'm yet to be find anything else to support them, along with parent details.

Kind regards

Surrey / Re: Burial location sought Lambeth Surrey 1871??
« on: Saturday 26 April 14 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rob

I had meant to write London Metropolitan Archives -  their digitised records are on Anc*, and you probably already know this.

I've looked for your Jeremiah in all the online Lambeth and Southwark parish records and I can't find him there or in the onlin records for the Norwood Cemetery in Lambeth. I searched all deaths in Lambeth and Southwark for Oct 1871. However, not all the records from the parishes have been digitised and it may well be that there is a record at the LMA that does not appear on Anc* - presuming he had a church burial possibly at Christ Church (unlikely though as it was a Congretational Church) or St John the Evangelist.

The problem here though is that there was an enormous shortage of burial space in the area from the mid 1850s and it may be that your Jeremiah may even be buried out of Lambeth in Brookwood, Surrey. I mention this because the London Necropolis Railway had its terminus immediately off the Westminster Bridge Rd which is 5 mins from where Jeremiah and family were living in Hooper St.

I've looked at a few parish records for his children and some appear to have married locally in the 1840s either at St John the Evangelist (on Waterloo Rd) or St Mary, Lambeth (Lambeth Rd), so there seems to be a local church connection. The census records between 1841 and 1871 don't show Jeremiah moving more than a few streets at any time. Is there any information you have that might indicate he would have reason to be buried out of Parish from Lambeth or Southwark??

St Mary Lambeth (William Bligh is buried there - it's quite posh immediately next to Lambeth Palace) had stopped taking burials when Jeremiah died and has since been deconsecrated and is the garden museum I mentioned in a previous post. The extended Lambeth Parish burial ground nearby the church closed in 1853 at full capacity after the cholera epidemics of 1848-49 and was turned into a park not long after, so Jeremiah won't be there. Interesting that Jeremiah's children would have been having children of their own during this time.

St John the Evangelist (5 mins walk from old Hooper St) was taking burials at the time, but their records do not appear on Anc*, and are hopefully on film or the original registers are at the LMA. I won't be visiting there for a month or so because of other commitments, but I'm happy to have a look when I do go. St George the Martyr, Southwark, where Jeremiah married had also closed their churchyard burials by mid 1850s, so he wouldn't be there either.

There are the remains of a church burial ground at St John's with some tombs and headstones remaining, but I think much of it was taken up in modern times during the development of Waterloo Station and it was also heavily bombed during WWII. The church is still open.

I came across a probate record granted 9 July 1878 to his ?son James Lee (also a slate maker) who appears to have died later that same year.

Jeremiah was active with the local Chartists in the 1840s and he is mentioned in newspapers at that time search in the newspaper section of FindMy*. He lived in an area that was politically very active with people campaigning mainly for sanitary reform for closed sewers and clean water etc. The first publicly funded bathhouse in Lambeth didn't open until 1897.

If you want to have an idea of the neighbourhood Jeremiah was living in it is worthwhile looking at the Lambeth Sanitary Reports from 1850s at the Wellcome museum online archive.

If you are looking at modern maps Hooper St is now Pearman St (straightened).

Do let me know if there's anything else I can get for you locally.

Kind regards

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