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Thanks ShaunJ am trying to see if Capt. Hawkes was leading military to hunt  the "republicans" in Dunmanway  or if its a concocted story in the S. Star. to justify what was going to happen. Jim1 I believe that John1 was abducted in Cork City originally and taken in the back of a car westwards but escaped twice and was recaptured and finally escaped to Bantry. The most of his story i have is from his family and am waiting for other information before telling the full story. I can say that it was his mother who pleaded with authorities to get him out when he joined the RAMC, and the info in the accounts quoted earlier in the Cork County Council website and on is incorrect and based on the newspaper, british army reports at the time and on BMH witness reports which to me don't stand up.(mostly propoganda from one side or the other). The finding of one.303 round on his person and an oil can makes him ... what ...? the oil can was for the clocks !!!
 I've seen info on the other Hawkes possibly in a 2RMF forum but the details are just not coming back to me at this stage.  J

Jim1. The man who served as a pte in RMF2 and re-enlisted in RAMC is the one person however there was another J(ohn) Hawkes in the RMF" and it is his story that I need to put the pieces together I have much more on the first  John (lets call him) for example his age given by newspsper reports is 26 that's incorrect its actually 24, when he attested first he added to his age to get in, another note should be that the newspapers gave different stories of him but remember the Southern Star was a Sinn Fein paper whilst the Skibereen Eagle was Pro British.
 the Southern Star demonised his name with tales of him leading British forces nearby to capture republicans while the Eagle had him playing the piano for Russian and British nobility. He was a watch/clock maker, not itinerant  as his address is given, he worked for a watch/clockmaker in Cork City, not the one named in British army records, his surname was not from the RC side so some people concluded he was COI and pro British, and he worked in Cork keeping in check the main clock in the "front office" of the barracks in Barrack St and regular visits to the Barracks plus him being a former soldier would give some the opportunity to label him as a spy (i have more info but will withold for the present)
I believe John2 may have been a captain in the RMF.
so the info I need is on John2. thanks to all J.

Jim1 and Shaun many thanks for your help. I know that one John hawkes tried to re-enlist in the RAMC but He was discharged medically in 1915 apparently he wrote from Liverpool in 1917 're pension to the army ?. He was shot in October 1920. With various newspaper reports about his activities but there was a second J Hawkes and I need to trace him unfortunately I don't have subscription to ancestry etc. J

Ireland / Re: Compensation commission 1920's help required
« on: Monday 27 September 21 22:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi itís related to a case in Cork, person shot as a suspected spy 1920

Ireland / Compensation commission 1920's help required
« on: Monday 27 September 21 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Can someone please advise me where go search for details of a reported award granted and perhaps turned down?

I'm looking for help to try to separate war records of two men named J Hawkes, served with 2RMF in WW1, one was pte. John Hawkes 6576 attested 1912 and was medically discharged 1915 partial deafness and with what is now known as PTSD, I have no information on the other but to say they were both possibly from Co. Cork Ireland and possible false newspaper reports lead to the death of one. I'm particularly interested to find out if the second John Hawkes survived the war and what rank he had etc.
Thanks J.

Cork / Re: What was Georges St changed to?
« on: Wednesday 02 May 18 15:57 BST (UK)  »
glad to hear you are sorted with that, and sorry to come so late to it , hope the sun shines when you visit and have a pleasant stay.

Cork / Re: Cork City - Unbaptised burials?
« on: Tuesday 01 May 18 21:35 BST (UK)  »
There is a definitely a babies plot to the rear of St Finbarrs Cemetery perhaps there, but maybe no "records"

Cork / Re: What was Georges St changed to?
« on: Tuesday 01 May 18 15:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi All,
Gt. Georges Street as shown on map was changed to Washington St.

link to google maps showing 20 Washington street.

Otherwise the original George's Street became Oliver Plunkett Street in the early 1920's
Nowadays # 20 is home to a store selling musical instruments.

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