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Travelling People / Re: Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Friday 04 March 11 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
Don't know if you are all out there, but I've been doing some more work on my family.

I followed up my Youngs, but couldn't see a connection to Jo's, but I also sent off for my gt gt grandmother Sarah Stewart (nee Young's) birth cert, and guess what-her mother was Jane Miller before she got married! 
Checked on the IGI and found her christening at Kirkbride nr Cockermouth, father Jacob Miller.  Was there a Romany camp at Kirkbride??
Has anyone else found anything?

Best wishes,
Hillary

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Travelling People / Re: Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Wednesday 16 February 11 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rob, Jo and Jackie (the numbers grow!)

First of all, Rob, thanks for all of your background info.  Didn't know there were different knds of Romanies-thought they were all Roma.  Like Jo's, my family are the dark-skinned, dark haired types.  My Dad had lovely dark curly hair when young, and people often think I'm from the Mediterranean.  One more thing my Dad said about his grandmother, don't know if it's a Romany thing, but she knew how to lay out the dead, and was often asked to do so by neighbours.

Jo, I will look more into John Young next week, when I'm on holiday (I'm a teacher).  I got distracted by my husband.  He was fed up of me researching my family tree and asked me to start his and it's just got to the interesting stage!

Jackie, it would be great if we were connected.  My Nancy was born in Cockermouth in Dec 1878, her mother Sarah Young likewise in 1852.  Charles Stewart was born in Ulverston in 1851.  Unfortunately there was another Charles Stewart from Ulverston, about the same age, married to a Sarah with a daughter called Nancy, but they settled in Kendal, whereas my lot including Sarah's parents and some brothers moved down to Blackburn.

Would be grateful for any more info.

All the best, Hillary

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Travelling People / Re: Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Friday 11 February 11 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
Jo-thanks for your interest and help.

Don't know if our families are connected but that pair of names keep cropping up.
My 3xgt grandfather was John Young born in Wigton nr Carlisle in 1816.  He lived around Cockermouth for some yrs and then many of the family moved down to Blackburn, but went back to Cumbria from time to time.  One of his sons was called William, but he was born in 1848, a bit old to be married in 1884.  I will try and follow him up.  (Haven't seen a mention of him moving down).
My 2x gt grandma was his daughter Sarah who married Charles Stewart from Ulverston and her brother Jacob married Margaret Stewart, Charles' sister!

Sounds like you are connected to Rob, who wrote to me earlier's, Romany family of Millers.  If you see this, Rob, my Charles Stewart's parents in Ulverston I've now found, were George and Ann.

Do you know if your family were travellers or Romanies, Jo?  My father thinks that his grandmother Nancy Stewart was born in a caravan, tho her birth is registered to an addess in Cockermouth. 
I find it all fascinating!
Hillary

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Travelling People / Re: Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Monday 10 January 11 20:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again Rob,

Well I didn't really know I came from Romany stock (a bit diluted), but it's quite exciting to find out!  I'm sorry you've had to face prejudice because of it.  People shouldn't judge others on face value or preconceived ideas and perhaps some of the judges should look into their own pasts, they might be surprised to find out where they came from!!

Presume the William Buck may be related to the one with the gravestone, but he must be the grandson as that one died in the 1930s. 
Hillary

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Travelling People / Re: Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Sunday 09 January 11 20:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rob, 
Thanks for your prompt reply.  I was surprised to hear the families were Romany, as my grandmother always insisted they weren't, just travellers!!  Now I've looked it up Young is a big Romany name, but not so much Stewart.  My gt gt gdfather was Charles Stewart, but 2 were born in Ulverston a few yrs apart and I don't know which is mine-he married Sarah Y :)oung daughter of John and Jane.  My branch of the Youngs came from near Wigton and spent some time around Cockermouth and Broughton before moving to Blackburn.

I haven't seen any of the names you mentioned-it just looks like Stewarts marrying Youngs!  but both branches of the families settled in Blackburn and most eventually became weavers.  One family that are connected are the Bucks who were horse dealers in Hawes.  There is a grave with a horse's head on it in the church yard there.  It's the grave of William Buck who married Mary Ann Young.  Don't know if you've heard of that family.
Anyway thanks again for the info.
Hillary

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Travelling People / Stewart and Young hawker families
« on: Saturday 08 January 11 20:58 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know anything about these families who were based in Cumbria (around Cockermouth)and Ulverston in the first part of the 19th century?  They were mainly earthenware and glass sellers, but the families had links into horse trading.  The families were very closely linked and wherever there's a Stewart on the census there's a Young nearby.  The families moved down to Blackburn and other parts of E Lancs in the 1880s. My great grandfather was Charles Stewart married to Sarah Young, but I'm not sure which Charles, as there are several. They used caravans to travel round (my grandmother remembered visiting them), but were based in houses.  I'd be grateful for any info.  Thanks!

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