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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Where in Southampton was this photo taken?
« on: Thursday 20 October 11 23:58 BST (UK)  »
I know that there are several books of lists of voters in Southampton Reference library, however I don't know if they are as recent as 1983. I will try them for you the next time I go there.

Also, I think the house appears to be on/near a corner. The doorway to the left of Mary's head looks to me like a communal one (like to some flats) with the window at the top of the stairs. Also, I can't see a gate opposite this door. Unfortunately, it does look like so many that I must have seen over the years.

Fingers crossed.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Mary Catherine Jones from Portmadog/Carnarvonshire
« on: Saturday 18 June 11 19:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I've received the certificates and there is good and bad news. The bad is that the birth certificate for Festiniog June 1863 gives the father's name as Owen Jones (again). The good is that the marriage certificate definitely looks to be right. The details are as follows....
29 March 1864 at Register Office in Festiniog.
James Jones, age 24, Bachelor, Tailor (Journeyman), Residence- Portmadoc Ynyscynhaiarn,father James Jones (deceased) Cabinet Maker (Journeyman).
Jane Hatcher, age 23, Spinster, Domestic servant, Residence- Aberia Llanifihangely Traethau, (note, the writing is very small so I may have misread),father William Hatcher, Farmer.
The registrar signed James's & Jane's names. The witnesses signed their own names- Owen Walter Evans & Anne James.

Thank you for your help, Gary.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Mary Catherine Jones from Portmadog/Carnarvonshire
« on: Saturday 04 June 11 16:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Emyr,

 I have ordered the following certificates....

 Birth, Mary Catherine Jones-June quarter 1863@Festiniog.
 Marriage, James Jones & Jane Hatcher-March quarter1864@Festiniog.

I will reply with the salient details when the certificates have arrived, next week probably.

Thank you again for your help and time with this research.
 Gary.


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Caernarvonshire / Re: Mary Catherine Jones from Portmadog/Carnarvonshire
« on: Tuesday 31 May 11 23:37 BST (UK)  »
 Thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it.

I really feel that you have found the right people. When I wrote my 1st post, I wanted to keep it as short as possible, I thus didn't mention that the witnesses to Henry Hull & Mary Catherine Jones's wedding in 1886 were.... Emma A Stuart and Richard Hatcher! Maybe Richard Hatcher is a cousin or uncle of Mary Catherine?

Also, I went to Southampton Archives today to see if I could find the baptisms of Jane & Richard Hatcher and if (a long shot) James & Jane Jones had more children in Southampton. Unfortunately, there seem to be none of the above in Southampton. While there, I asked an archivist if, in her opinion, whether the photocopy (that cost me 10p instead of £9) of the parish register entry of Henry Hull & Mary Catherine Jones's marriage would be the same as if I obtained a copy of the certificate from GRO. She said it would be and that James Jones's occupation says Tailor not Sailor. She also said that it is possible that the vicar could have misheard the word Sailor, and wrote Tailor instead. This is quite common apparently.

I then went on Ancestry at the library and found out the following from the censuses....

1851 census, Jane Hatcher, age 19, unmarried, laundress, daughter of Richard & Elizabeth Hatcher,
born Southampton, Hants.

1861 census, Jane Hatcher, age 29,unmarried, laundress, daughter of Elizabrth Hatcher(no Richard)
born Southampton, Hants.

1871 census, Jane Hicks, age 39, wife of Thomas Hicks, age 38, occupation Ships Fireman. Jane born Southampton, Hants. No children listed.

1881 census, Jane E Hicks, age 49, wife of Thomas Hicks, age 48, occupation Ships stoker, Seaman. Jane born Southampton, Hants. No children listed but there are the following....
Elizabeth Hatcher, Mother, widow, age 79, Laundress and Alfred Hatcher, son (of Elizabeth presumably) , unmarried, age 38, occupation Chemist porter, born Southampton, Hants.

I then found on BMD the following marriage....

Thomas Hicks & Jane E Hatcher. June quarter 1866 at Southampton.

Again I thank you heartily for your time in this research, I genuinely couldn't do it without you.

Gary.

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Caernarvonshire / Mary Catherine Jones from Portmadog/Carnarvonshire
« on: Saturday 28 May 11 20:18 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to research my Gr,Gr Grandma called Mary Catherine Jones, but I have hit a well built brick wall. ??? I have the following information....

Marriage certificate.
She was married 1st July 1886 to Henry Hull at St. Mary Extra near (now in) Southampton. She was of full age, a spinster, occupation maidservant and her residence at time of marriage was St.Mary Extra. She gave her father's name as James Jones, occupation Tailor.

Censuses.
1891. Mary C Hull, age 26, from Portmadog, Carnarvonshire.
1901. Mary C Hull, age 36, from Portmadoc, Carnarvonshire.

I have a copy of a birth certificate, but I'm wondering if I have ordered the right one.
The details are as follows....
Born 16th Feb 1864 at Glasfryn House, Pwllheli. Name Mary Catherine, Girl, Father, Owen Jones, occupation Draper, informant Mary Jones, Mother, Glasfryn House, Pwllheli. Date registered 25th March 1864.

The trouble is that I have noticed that there are several Mary Catherine Jones's in the area at the same time. I would also love to know why she moved from Carnarvonshire to Southampton area. I feel that I can only proceed with this when I know information such as her date of birth, names of parents and siblings and exact address in Wales, etc.

If anyone has any information or tips on how I can further this research then I would be extremely grateful.

Gary.

 

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Occupation Interests / My ancestor was a tin man.
« on: Thursday 26 May 11 23:35 BST (UK)  »
I'm probably being naive but I am wondering exactly what a Tin-Man did for a living.
My only recollection of a Tin Man was from watching the Wizard of Oz as a child.
 
2 of my ancestors- William Tiley 1799-1858 from Eling & Stockbridge, Hampshire and Stephen Tiley 1829-1901 also of Eling and Stockbridge plus South Stoneham, Hampshire gave their occupation as Tin Man or chimney sweep when they had their children baptised.

As the overwhelming majority of my ancestors were labourers, it makes a pleasant change to have a couple of Tin Men and chimney sweeps.

Thanks in advance for your help, Gary.

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Hi,
 I have found and copied the baptism of William Oliver at Beaulieu 29 Jan 1797. It looks very promising to me. A quick search also found 3 siblings and 2 marriages of his father William as well as the burial entry of his first wife Elizabeth.
 I heartily thank you for this lead.

 Gary.

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Monday 28 March 11 17:09 BST (UK)  »
  Hi,

  I have tried to find HGH's merchant navy records for WW2 by looking on "World War 2 Nominal roll" and Australian Maritime Safety Authority" websites. There is a Henry George Hull but he's way too young was born in Victoria and was a soldier. I have also tried to find him i lists of immigrants from 1940 to 1945, again without success.

  Regarding the details of his address and next of kin given when he signed off the BRITANNIC 30/7/1940, the address of 57 Dean Road, Bitterne, Southampton is 100% right. In fact I also lived there until the age of 9 when the place burnt down! There is a small cul-de-sac of houses there now called Peppard Close. Harder to explain is why he gave his next of kin as Ethel. His wife was Rose Edith Hull, so perhaps, for some reason , he purposely gave false information or was Ethel his "bit on the side" that he apparently had in Liverpool? It would be impossible to prove though.

  The info about the tug called St. Anne is interesting. My Mum reminded me that in July 1987 I did my work experience for Red Funnel Tugs in Southampton and that one of the several ships we brought in was the QE2.

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Armed Forces / Re: Was my Gr.Grandad in Merchant navy in WW2 ?
« on: Friday 25 March 11 16:01 GMT (UK)  »
  A message from my Mum.

  I've shared all the information about Henry George Hull with my Mum and told her about all the assistance that I've had while researching him. Henry died 27 years before I was born so is, in theory, a distant relative. However, he's my Mum's grandad,a closer relation, and although she never met him, had been told many stories about him. She'd no idea of what he looked like, not even the year in which he'd been born, married and died. ( I had reseached his birth, marriage year and names of Henry's parents and grand parents last year).

  When I was able to show Mum all the documents and the photo of him, she cried with great happiness. She'd spent about 60 years thinking about him, on and off, but was never shown any pictures or similar.

  Mum has asked me to thank everyone on her behalf for all the help I've received.

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