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Australia / Re: Charlotte Annie Roach 1856 - 24 July 1944
« on: Sunday 02 January 22 16:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your help so far.
As I said I'm looking at this for a contact who is descended from Charlotte Annie. My information is from other ancestry trees, none of which seem to know who her father was, most agree his name was "John".
First marriage 15 March 1875 at St Patrick's Adelaide.
2nd marriage 3 January 1928 in Adelaide. Nothing else given on any of the trees I've seen. Buried in Cheltenham Cemetery 26 July 1944. Her year of birth is from her gravestone. Place of birth is given as Bendigo, but I've seen no support for this.
They seem to have had 12 children:Mary Frances 1875-1900; Lucy Matilda 1876-1915; Rose Florence 1879-1939; William Edward 1881-1881; Alfred Ernest Alexander 1882-1883; Leonard Clarence 1884-1884; Oliver Erskine 1890-1969; Ethel Phillipa 1892-1916; Ivy Gladys 1895-1983;Harold Frank Avondale 1897-1970.
Thanks again
Helen

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Australia / Charlotte Annie Roach 1856 - 24 July 1944
« on: Saturday 01 January 22 20:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello I hope you can help me.
I have been contacted by the great grand daughter of Charlotte who cannot work out who Charlotte's parents are. Charlotte married first William Edward Ware in 1875 saying  her father was Edward and then again she married Edward Burr in Adelaide in 1928, giving her father as John. DNA seems to connect her to either of 2 brothers John Long Roach or James Webb Roach, both of Bristol and both 1st cousins several times removed of mine. James Webb 's son James (1807 - 1883) certainly came to Australia, in 1849 aboard the barque "Mary Ann", sailing from Bristol to Port Adelaide via Plymouth. He and his wife Mary Ann Exell married in Bristol in 1824 had several children, one of whom was called Charlotte (1843 - 1936). There was an earlier child Edwin Richard (1827-1908) who features in the Police Gazette in 1889 in Ballarat and was convicted and imprisoned for 6 months. I have not been able to find a marriage for him. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for any help at all
Helen

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United States of America / Re: what happened to JAMES ROACH b,1747
« on: Wednesday 21 October 20 18:12 BST (UK)  »
Just for completion: Ancestry now has early Wills for South Carolina on line and the James Roach whom I suspected was he,  making his Will on 12 July 1780, is indeed my James Roach. The Will states that he is a rope maker and indeed I have his apprenticeship details and he is a rope maker. He left his property and estate to his wife Elizabeth, and she dies in September 1780 and she leaves her property etc. to her son Charles Snetter rope and line maker! So I surmise she was a widow when she married James. Now Charles dies in 1799, no heirs, and he leaves his property etc. to god daughters and to the local home for Orphans; he is the proud possessor of a two storey house on King Street Road, Charleston, SC.His rope making equipment he leaves to his slave, Brister, whom he emancipates and he leaves £10 to Sarah his slave-housekeeper, also emancipated.
Thanks for all help.
Helen

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sotrry about the last line - ignore all after 1917

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Just thought I would post this little snippet about Robert M G
Robert Musgrave Blackwell
Robert was the grandson of Sarah Jane Taylor and Job Blackwell. Sarah herself was the illegitimate daughter of Frederick Lees, one of several brothers who owned and ran a cotton mill in Dukinfield, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire. Frederick, the son of Robert Lees and my first(6 times removed) cousin Alice Sidebotham, never married and supported his mistress Ann Taylor and her family, including mother and siblings, in one of the many houses the Lees family owned. Frederick died young(1802 – 1843) and left £40,000 and Ann continued to be supported by Watkin, Nathan and James the 3 surviving brothers. These brothers were seriously rich, Watkin for example in his Will (1864) left close to £300,000. Nathan similarly did not marry but kept a mistress, Jane Cooper, and their 3 girls were very well provided for, being the main beneficiaries of his estate.  They  lived comfortably,all three dying on the West Coast of Lancashire. As you know  mill owners ruled with a rod of iron in those days and did not tolerate their workers to question them, in any way at all. They acted as landowners have acted for centuries. They had a strong belief in their own opinions and were often fiercely religious. Indeed Nathan and Watkin had an ongoing feud with the Vicar of St Mark’s, Dukinfield and would not allow their younger workers to take time off to attend confirmation classes, they took the time off anyway and were immediately sacked. This generated a letter to the Manchester Courier in July 1850, written by the Vicar in an attempt to shame the 2 brothers. To no avail.
Back to Robert Musgrave:
His  mother’s brother, James Taylor, worked for his richer relatives in a trusted position as head cashier of the Cotton Spinning Mill. He was an executor and beneficiary of his Uncle Nathan’s Will, described as James Taylor, gentleman.
Sarah Jane married Job Blackwell, warehouseman and they had 2 children – Robert and Elizabeth. Job died at the tender age of 23 in 1863 and so the children were dependant on their mother. Robert, a physician,(presumably his education was paid for by Lees family money) died at the age of 45 leaving a very small amount of money (£114. 10s) to his widow, Harriet Gertrude nee Bridden. Her estate when she died in 1940 was worth £3225, her father was an accountant and so maybe she herself had an income.
Robert Musgrave must have been very well aware of how much money the Lees family were worth and I imagine lived as if he possessed more money than he actually had. He variously describes himself as  “Living on own means” (1901), labourer (1911 in New Zealand) market gardener & nurseryman(1936 in New Zealand during his divorce proceedings conducted in absentia),private means (1939, living in Cornwall) a planter (en route to Port au Spain, Trindad in 1946). He died in Tasmania in 1964. The only photo I have of him is courtesy of the New Zealand Police gazette, his mugshot, presumably taken when he was accused and eventually found guilty of stealing £2 from one, Crozier Graham in 1908 in Wellington, New Zealand. The defence pleaded extenuating circumstances. He was married twice – first in 1926 in Armadale St Albans, Victoria, Australia to Ada Winifred Toomath, who divorced him on the grounds of desertion in 1936 and then again in 1943 in Cornwall to Edith Marian Dale. Edith remained with him and she died in Tasmania in 1979.
Out of interest only Robert Musgrave Blackwell was a 3rd cousin of Bertha Georgie Hyde-Lees, a legitimate descendent twice over of Robert Lees and Alice Sidebotham. (her parents were 2nd cousins), Georgie was soon to be known as George Yeats when she married W B Yeats in 1917.W St Albans, Victor Armadale St Albans, Victoria, AustraIia

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Canada Lookup Request / Re: The Snows of Ontario
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 19:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi there all, thanks.
Joshua must die between 1871 and 1881 as Mary/Margaret is listed as a widow in 1881 and Joshua is with her in 1871./ Although I know that daughter Sarah married a William Ward, this cannot be the Sarah with William James Ward, farmer  with children Joseph and Mabel,(my mistake) this Sarah was Sarah Jane something else entirely, consistently. So I think from the 1871 census Joshua And Mary/Margaret had 4 children - Charles (1863) Sarah (1865) and Mary and Martha (1868). I would dearly love to find Joshua's death between 1871 and 1881(when Mary/Margaret is a widow) and in 1881 with only Sarah and Martha Snow listed with her.
Thanks

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Canada Lookup Request / The Snows of Ontario
« on: Tuesday 07 July 20 16:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi there I always find relative tracing in Canada difficult and would appreciate some help, please in tracing my distant cousins the Snows, who came to Canada at around the end of 1851. (In Devon England in 1851 census for 30 March and in Canada for the same census, taken Jan. 1852). They were the children of John Snow, a blacksmith, and Susanna/Susan Bowden.  I believe that James Bowden Snow, baptised Sept 1822; Joshua Snow, bapt. 27 Jan, 1828 and Arabella Snow bapt. Jan 1833 all came to Canada. I have traced them all to Ontario. Arabella married Frederick Turner and I have her death and that of several children, Joshua married Margaret Jakes in1863 in Port Hope and they had a daughter Sarah in 1865. I have them in 1871 but can trace the adults no further. Sarah married William Ward in 1883 and I have her in 1911 on a farm in Grey East, Ontario with her 2 children Joseph and Mabel. I haven't located any deaths for Joshua's family.
James Bowden Snow is present in 1851 in Pickering, Ontario as a blacksmith but I cannot find him after that.
Help with either of the 2 boys (James and Joshua) would be most kind and very much appreciated.
Thanks

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Australia / Re: Death certificate of John Shepley
« on: Tuesday 18 June 19 13:49 BST (UK)  »
Yes that is the family, but no clue as to who the parents of John are, unfortunately. But thanks for that.
Helen

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Australia / Re: Death certificate of John Shepley
« on: Tuesday 18 June 19 12:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that - the purpose of my request had been to correct the entries for him on some ancestry trees - wrongly attributing him as a son to a John Shepley in my tree and I had hoped that the death certificate would enhance my argument.
Best wishes
Helen

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