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Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Wednesday 15 October 14 00:33 BST (UK)  »
I only know my aunt worked there via the 1891 census, she went to America and we lost touch with that side of the family, so no stories unfortunately.

As for John's birth place, odds are it's near Kunzelsau, there are a lot of villages round and about, it usually tells you the village on the naturalisation papers, but it seems you've been a bit unlucky. Are you aware that John had a brother George (born c.1840), who also lived in Sheffield.

There maybe a sister Catherine too, but I haven't got a proven link for that. Your best bet if you want to pursue it is to find any siblings that John had and see if you can find out exactly where any of them came from. Or maybe you could find some distant cousins, they might have a place name or some interesting family records, I managed to find out quite a lot from cousins.

Europe / Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« on: Tuesday 14 October 14 22:02 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to the thread MrsBuckers

Our pork butcher database has information on the Kober family:

It has John KOBER marrying Rose GANSLER in 1873. She was from Beltersrot, near Kuenzelsau in Wuerttemberg. John had a shop at 88 London Road, Sheffield at least as long as 1881-1911.

It's unlikely the Kobers were Jewish, the vast majority of pork butchers came from the area around Kuenzelsau and were predominantly Lutheran. You quite rightly point out the paradox of a Jewish pork butcher.

On a personal note, John Kober employed my aunt, Magdalena Weibrecht in 1891, just before she left for America with her future husband, Christopher Kantenwein.

Do the naturalisation papers state where John and Rose were born?

Just a few points that spring to mind:

Do we have a field for year of emigration?

We may not need country of origin, just the state and town, it's probably a given that they are from Germany.

With the angicised name I like this idea. However, for example, my great grandfather was always known as George Funk in England, but his children changed their surname to Ford. Where, if anywhere would we enter this info?

As for editing the record I like your idea of having a distinction between 'Researcher' and 'Submitter'. I think these terms are clear and it solves the issue that me and Histres have submitted many names that are not our relatives. Just one question, if someone else is 'Submitter' on a record and I'm add myself as a 'Researcher', can I edit the record, or would I just contact the 'Submitter' and ask that it be changed?

One other thing. When a name appears in the 'Comments' section, say 'brother of x', is there anyway of hyperlinking direct to x's record?

Reference Library / Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« on: Friday 14 September 12 18:04 BST (UK)  »
I've attached an image of the top of my present table on MS Word. As you can see some of the categories need spliting up.

I like your idea of clicking on the name for more information. My table is wider than an A4 sheet, and with other categories it would be wider. One category we could possibly do without is "Origin Country" as we are only focusing on German pork butchers.

I like the idea of having an initial screen with more basic information on. In addition to the categories you propose on this screen, we could add DOB, as many of the pork butchers have the same names, so it helps avoid confusion. Whenever I put links to a person in I always put their DOB in brackets after, although for our purposes here I just use the year rather than the specific date.

One thing that might be handy is if connecting families could have hyperlinks. My data is very person centric, so it lists who a person marries, who they work for, who works for them, who they are friends with etc. I therefore only link by people rather than families, as there are often several Schmidt families, for example, who are unrelated. If we could hyperlink all the connected people it would make it very easy to explore links, rather than typing in the names into the search, you could go straight to their file.

The idea of having a limited number of fields displayed at first would also be good for address searches, as you could see at an easy glace who was associated with the address.

If we adopted this format I guess we would need a newwebsite to host it?

Reference Library / Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« on: Friday 14 September 12 15:17 BST (UK)  »
Just remembered a site that I like:

It has multiple searchable fields and is simple. This is the sort of thing I have in mind. It also has the option to use other databases - directories, burials, baptisms, etc. This maybe illustrates my previous question better. There are different searchable fields on the interface for different databases, for example "Cemetery" is on burials, but isn't necessary for directories. Can RootsChat change the search interface for pork butchers, and if more databases of this type are set up for them? As I said cork cutters probably won't need the same categories as pork butchers and vice versa.

Reference Library / Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« on: Friday 14 September 12 15:01 BST (UK)  »
I see the RootsChat system seems to do what I had envisaged. It would probably be simpler to use your system than set up a seperate one. Do we use the base in the link you posted but add in the other categories? Would it be that particular search interface with other categories added or would there be a special link to a seperate searchable database for pork butchers? I ask because a few people have had difficulty using it and if pork butchers are sharing the same interface with all searches it may lead to lots of categories that are unnecessary for other searches, for say cork cutters, who may not need "Origin Point" or "First Recorded in Britain" as a category. Hope you understand my meaning in that, it's a bit difficult to explain.

I agree that some of the fields I have specified could be split and made more specific, the places where they settled could also be split in counties, so we could bring up a list of all the pork butchers in Lancashire for instance. I also agree that we should add a contributor column.

As for format, my list is currently in a text based format (MS Word) in a column.

Just to clarify the way information is contributed. The person that enters the information, say I enter my great grandfather George Funk, and put in his details, is the only one who can edit it? What if, say, my cousin is looking and finds that George is only his English name and his real name is Johann Georg Michael and wants to change it. Would my cousin be able to do that? Or more simply if I left the "Address(es)" category blank, could someone else fill it in?

Reference Library / Re: Possible database: German Pork Butchers
« on: Thursday 13 September 12 23:47 BST (UK)  »
My thoughts on the database are as follows. I think everyone is in agreement that some kind of central database for pork butchers is the way forward. Between us we have a huge amount of information, and it has potential to be of genuine historical and personal interest.

I'm not very familiar with the options available on this site for databases. For maximum use the database should be able to search multiple fields. The categories that I have are: "Surname", "Forname(s)", "DOB", DOD", "Origin Point" (village they were from), "Town" (British town(s) they settled in), "Address(es)", "Links" (to other pork butchers) and "Earliest Recorded in Britain".

To make best use of the information it would be handy to be able to perform field specific searches: for example, be able to type 'Sheffield' into the "Town" field and a list of all the Sheffield pork butchers comes up, or type a specific address in "Address(es)" and it list all the pork butcher occupants of that address, or more simply type a surname into "Surname" and it bring up all the pork butchers with that surname. This would let us analyse the information quickly and in ways that we can't in it's current format. It would, for example, allow us to quickly analyse how many pork butchers appeared in Britian during a certain time frame.

Does RootsChat allow for this type of database?

If not then I would suggest a seperate website like the sugar baker one, but make it MS Access based rather than MS Excel based.

What do we think?

England / Re: German Ancestors in the North of England
« on: Wednesday 18 July 12 22:14 BST (UK)  »
Glad to see we've got some posts so quickly. All my lot of German ancestors were pork butchers from the Hohenlohe region in Wuerttemberg, which seems to be, as Berlin-Bob has pointed out, the origin place for most German pork butchers in Britain.

I've started recording German pork butchers as I find them and adding them to a list I'm building up. I've heard the name Vogel before, as well as Falck and it's great that you have detail of where they came from, that's the hardest part to find out, so thanks Helga. There is already a very good thread devoted to pork butchers so I'll try not to go on about them here too much. Helga, do you know exactly where these pork butchers had their shops?

Also thanks to pityackafromblyth for the tip off about the Shy family, I'll look into that in more detail.

England / German Ancestors in the North of England
« on: Tuesday 17 July 12 17:44 BST (UK)  »
Welcome to the thread,

I am a member of the Anglo-German Family History Society (AGFHS), and it was recently pointed out to me that we don't have a specific forum for people with German ancestors located in the North of England (Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire, Cumbria, Northumberland, Durham, etc). So I have decided to start a thread to solve that problem for members and non-members alike. Please tell everyone about your German ancestors 'up north': what did they did for a living, where did they live, where did they come from and why did they come?

Hopefully we can all help each other, and maybe we'll discover some connections between our ancestors.


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