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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 16:06 GMT (UK)  »
CONFIRMED: Alice Evangeline (Craxford) Williams, widow, married Charles William Burrows (widower and railway goods porter) at Islington Register Office on December 26th 1914.

There is one possible sighting of Alice E Burrows after Charles died in a marriage to James Moore in the Bermondsey District in the summer of 1936. There is then (again a widow) Alice Moore born in 1866 (same year as Alice E Craxford), an office cleaner, living in Crosby Row, Bermondsey. I haven't seen a death for a James Moore to match though.

Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Thursday 11 November 21 13:42 GMT (UK)  »
CONFIRMED:

Alice Evangeline Giles (father William Craxford - deceased) married Evan Williams at Islington Register Office on February 13th 1912. It was witnessed by her oldest son, Albert Edward Richard and oldest daughter Alice Lydia.  Alice declared herself to be a widow.

They were both living at 61, Brewery Road at the time. This then also confirmed that this was a very short lived marriage as Evan died at work on June 18th 1912. The inquest quoted the same residential address although Alice was not mentioned.

Clarification now sought for the 1914 marriage to Charles Burrows. It this is the cane then the likely candidates for Alice's death are 1951 and 1953.

Not wanting to obfuscate this topic any further I did have a passing fancy as to where son Claud's middle name Evan came from. Although by far the most likely scenario was that it was a nod to Evan Williams being his father, I did wonder whether it might be a shortened pet name from Evangeline. I have looked up a number of sources but haven't found that to be a suggestion.

Cheers Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Friday 05 November 21 18:20 GMT (UK)  »
I now have some details about the children of these relationships. Both Gladys (October 16th 1903) and Claud Evan (August 3rd 1905) were born in the City of London Lying In Hospital. Both were registered with their father as Alfred Edward Giles and mother's maiden name was Craxford.
In 1903 Alice was living in Goddings Road off the Caledonian Road; and in 1905 in The Cottage, Citizen Road, Holloway.

Almost at the same time, Zillah Jane Hoare had a daughter, Ethel Zillah, registered as Giles, in Q4 1905 (birth certificate requested).

I'm just wondering how much obfuscation is going on here? Who was living with who? And why would Alice have given her son Claud another man's not particularly common name as a second given name (Evan)?

Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 21:26 GMT (UK)  »
I'm just wondering if the answer to where Alice Evangeline went could be answered by what happened to her son Claud(e) Evan.

There is no doubt that Claud(e) was Evan William's son born when Evan and Alice were living together. Claud(e) was registered Giles mmn Craxford.
I would say it is also beyond reasonable doubt that Alice was married to Charles Burrows because Claud(e) and his wife were living with them in Ironmonger Street in 1930.

After Charles died, did Alice move with her son and daughter in law? I haven't yet found any of them in the 1939 Register. ?moved abroad perhaps

Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 08:59 GMT (UK)  »
Charles William Burrows (of 10 Ironmonger Street) was buried at Islington Cemetery  on January 14th 1933

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 08:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Cuffie

Thanks once again. Food (nay a veritable banquet) for thought there.

I've sent you a PM

Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 14:41 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Cuffie

Many thanks

I think you have given me the "clincher" there that Alfred Giles was still alive in 1911 - and that's because of his occupation. He has been a hatter or hat salesman throughout. He decalred in the census that they had been married for 7 years and had three children.

Assuming that Alice's marriage in 1912 is correct and that there in no marriage for Alfred and Zilpah, my inclination would be to say that Alice's relationship was bigamous but Alfred's wasn't. I'll take expert advice on that one.

Alan

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 13:55 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie

Yes, I've just been checking up on those other births (Giles mmn Craxford) and deaths. Seems that Alice had eight children in total and that she had taken up with Evan Williams by 1902. I would suspect that the 1912 marriage is between this Evan and Alice. The marriage certificate would prove that.

Question remains: where did her husband Alfred Edward Giles go? I've accumulated a number of bigamous relationships along the way and it isn't always as simple as it seems. Divorce was very expensive and very difficult to obtain. It also seems that if the couple had been split for ten years - and they could claim that they had no idea where their ex-partner was or even still alive, then the subsequent marriage could well be considered not bigamous. The ten year gap between the 1901 census and the 1912 marriage could well justify that.

As an aside, I have to admit that following Alice Angeline was initially only a side issue from that of her brother William James Craxford, a blind organist in Lincolnshire who died young and his four children ended up in the London Infant Orphan Asylum.

Cheers Alan
 

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London and Middlesex / Re: A marriage in Islington 1912
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 11:46 GMT (UK)  »
Alice’s baptism shows that her birthdate was 3 October 1866. Have you tried filtering the 1939 Alice Williams by precise birthdate? Of course she may not have survived to 1939.

I'm not sure you can search the 1939 Register with the exact birthdate (using FindMyPast at least). In any event, quoted birthdates there are notoriously inaccurate when you see the full entry, at least in my experience.

Alan

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