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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Saturday 28 April 18 02:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks John. Plese feel free to use the photo for your website on the USC association.
Regrds. Gerry.
Regrds. Gerry.
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World War One / Re: Help on this photo, date, KOYLI uniform date, South Africa medals please.
« on: Monday 28 October 13 10:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks John,
I think you're right it looks more like the QSA but he should have received his DCM before that, confusing.
Gerry.
I think you're right it looks more like the QSA but he should have received his DCM before that, confusing.
Gerry.
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World War One / Re: Help on this photo, date, KOYLI uniform date, South Africa medals please.
« on: Sunday 27 October 13 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your comments. On another forum (The Long, Long Trail - The Great War) we have come to the conclusion that Joe is wearing the IGS with 2 clasps and his DCM but in the wrong order.
Gerry
Gerry
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World War One / Help on this photo, date, KOYLI uniform date, South Africa medals please.
« on: Tuesday 01 October 13 00:08 BST (UK) »
This is a photo of Joseph Gould born 1870, Sheffield. Joseph (No 4640) served with the 2nd Bat The Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry (KOYLI) from about 1894. He was awarded the DCM for actions in India in 1898 then was wounded at the Battle of Modder River in South Africa in 1899 and sent home. He rejoined his old unit in Aug 1914 (No 3/1752), at the age of 44, to serve with them in WW1. He was again wounded in May 1918 and received the Silver War Badge.
My question is when might this photo have been taken. Its the one used for an article in the Belfast Telegraph (where he lived with his second wife) when he was wounded in 1918. To me the photo looks earlier and like that of a younger man, by this time he should be 48, and I don't think I can see the DCM amongst his medals. Could this be from his previous service? Does the uniform tell us anything?
As usual, any help appreciated. Gerry.
My question is when might this photo have been taken. Its the one used for an article in the Belfast Telegraph (where he lived with his second wife) when he was wounded in 1918. To me the photo looks earlier and like that of a younger man, by this time he should be 48, and I don't think I can see the DCM amongst his medals. Could this be from his previous service? Does the uniform tell us anything?
As usual, any help appreciated. Gerry.
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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Friday 24 May 13 13:18 BST (UK) »
I believe they are held at PRONI. My cousin is going to have a look for my grandfathers, she tried the museum first, got lots of good general info but it was them who told her she needed to go to PRONI. She is ex RUC.
Gerry.
Gerry.
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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Friday 24 May 13 13:04 BST (UK) »
Strange mixture of terms. Perhaps he was 'RUC' attached to the 'USC' in an organisational capacity, or he may have just transferred from the 'RIC' to the 'A' Specials as you thought.
Gerry.
Gerry.
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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Friday 24 May 13 11:42 BST (UK) »
RosemaryJoan, certainly agree assume Warrant Officer level which I guess would be Head Constable. I think I noticed that there were two levels of this rank.
Gerry.
Gerry.
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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Friday 24 May 13 02:25 BST (UK) »
RosemaryJoan, I think from other sources that William John joined the RIC after the war and would most likely have transferred to the RUC when the RIC was disbanded in 1922, therefore he would have been a member of the the full time police force, the Royal Ulster Constabulary, rather than the more controversial reserve, the Ulster Special Constabulary ('A' & 'B' Specials) formed late 1920. I also note that besides the 'family legend' he had also been awarded the Military Medal.
Refer here - http://www.royalirishconstabulary.com/index16.html
The site has a host of fascinating information.
Gerry.
Refer here - http://www.royalirishconstabulary.com/index16.html
The site has a host of fascinating information.
Gerry.
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Antrim / Re: What Irish uniform might this be?
« on: Thursday 23 May 13 01:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks RosemaryJoan, I think you are probably right. Here's some of the other info we've come up with so far.
The USC (Ulster Special Constabulary) was made up of two groupings.... 'A' & 'B'.
'A' Specials were paid for duties to assist at police stations as Police numbers were low and the USC was a cheaper way of covering for Police who were required out on the ground. I understand there was also a reserve 'C' section of mostly older men.
'B' Specials (USC) were unpaid (except for 2 bounties a year) and were only used when the 'pooh' hit the fan (but not sure how they were informed when to take up duty).
Uniforms obviously supplied by the Government and probably kept at home. Firearms and ammo kept in Police Stations. Drilled every Sunday.
Obviously there is a lot more information on the net.
Apparently details of individuals are kept by PRONI.
Regards. Gerry.
The USC (Ulster Special Constabulary) was made up of two groupings.... 'A' & 'B'.
'A' Specials were paid for duties to assist at police stations as Police numbers were low and the USC was a cheaper way of covering for Police who were required out on the ground. I understand there was also a reserve 'C' section of mostly older men.
'B' Specials (USC) were unpaid (except for 2 bounties a year) and were only used when the 'pooh' hit the fan (but not sure how they were informed when to take up duty).
Uniforms obviously supplied by the Government and probably kept at home. Firearms and ammo kept in Police Stations. Drilled every Sunday.
Obviously there is a lot more information on the net.
Apparently details of individuals are kept by PRONI.
Regards. Gerry.