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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1889 diary, in Reading
« on: Sunday 18 March 18 21:42 GMT (UK)  »
Don't know how this would fit into the context of the diary, but my first thought was the Abbey ruins, next to the Forbury gardens (and in my day not far from the library). Can't account for the superscript though.

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The Common Room / Re: Wives & husbands testifying against each other
« on: Sunday 10 December 17 12:40 GMT (UK)  »
By a weird coincidence I came across a case in a distant branch of my family in 1863.  A lodger was accused of stealing a sovereign from his landlord (they were sharing a bed!).  Landlord's daughter - lodger's "sweetheart" - testified against her father and accused was bailed to appear at Quarter Sessions next month. By then the pair had married so case had to be dropped.
It appears that a wife couldn't even testify in defence of her husband, though she may have changed her testimony - she was dead within the year.

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The Common Room / Re: Wives & husbands testifying against each other
« on: Sunday 10 December 17 09:08 GMT (UK)  »
If the "divorce" was granted by the Court of arches I think it would have been "a mensa et thoro" - from bed and board. This enabled/compelled the couple to live apart but did not end the marriage.
I don't have the timescale but wives were originally not able to give evidence againsst their husbands. I think this was changed in the 19th century, though they still couldn't be compelled, and I seem to remember it was abolished later

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The Common Room / Re: Pregnant bride, 1600's
« on: Friday 20 October 17 17:08 BST (UK)  »
Now we're back on track, I seem to remember a piece in the old BBC Tonight programme in the sixties about a village in the Netherlands where the strong Calvinist tradition coexisted with the practice of waiting for the woman to become pregnant before marrying.
And Thomas Hardy records the time when a number of London stonemasons went to get stone for, I think the Embankment, from Portland Bill in Dorset. The same practice was usual there, and the men thought they had died and gone to Heaven until they found that the second part of the contract was compulsory.
In communities where fertility was essential for their continuance - either economically or socially - the custom would be likely, unless there was the possibility of divorce. And even Martin Luther didn't think Henry VIII had the right to get rid of Katherine of Aragon.

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The Common Room / Re: Pregnant bride, 1600's
« on: Friday 20 October 17 11:45 BST (UK)  »
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17 Nov 1578 and the first child was baptised 16 Feb the following year
Don't want to go off topic but to clarify:
16th. Feb. 1579 will be over a year later as the Julian calendar was in use at the time & the new year started on April 1st.

Not April 1st, New Year in English records started Lady Day, March 25th

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Isle of Man / Re: Origin of the name Tynwald?
« on: Monday 02 January 17 19:56 GMT (UK)  »


(Kind of strange that the English Parliament is often called "the mother of Parliaments"?!)



Yes it is often called that, often by MPs who should know better.  The actual quote is from the mid-Victorian writer John Bright who said "England is the mother of parliaments".  Being mid-Victorian he quite possibly meant Britain.

He also originated the phrase "muddle through" but he applied that to the USA, so here's hoping.

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The Lighter Side / Re: "Who Do You Think You Are" Series 13, Episode #3: Liz Bonnin
« on: Friday 09 December 16 13:44 GMT (UK)  »
Just for balance about general ignorance, a couple of facts which are not widely known, and to demonstrate my potential ignorance I haven't checked them so I'm open to correction:

Denmark ended its slave trading before Britain did, but doesn't shout about it.

And I think that when Liz Bonnin's earliest Desormeaux ancestor recognised his children by his ex-slave partner all slaves in French possessions were free after the Revolution.  Napoleon decided to restore slavery shortly after.

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The Lighter Side / Re: "Who Do You Think You Are" Series 13, Episode #3: Liz Bonnin
« on: Friday 09 December 16 12:15 GMT (UK)  »
Don't go, PharmaT. All you were doing was respond with a set of examples to counterract a sweeping generalisation about different education systems.  Both sets of examples were anecdotal, but of equal validity.
As it happens I was equally surprised by the original post from ankerdine, but it isn't anything to do with intelligence.  Bing interested in history, and having had some success in quizzes in the past, I am often surprised but try to remember that there are huge areas of knowledge which I know nothing about.  My view is that you should never be embarrassed about not knowing something you never learned, nor should you be proud of it.
Unfortunately, being an arrogant b***** I still shout at contestants on the television.

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Scotland / Re: Unusual birth record
« on: Friday 02 September 16 10:39 BST (UK)  »
Some years ago a Registrar in London told me that unregistered births occurred from time to time in the UK until 1948.

There also appears to have been a number of late registrations around the middle of WW1.  I found several children born in the 1900s who appeared in the 1911 census but don't get into the GRO index of births until 1915.  It seems too early for rationing but maybe it was to make sure boys' ages were correct before they were of an age to be conscripted.

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