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London and Middlesex / Re: Henry John LEE 1879 to 1901 now where are you?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 20:36 GMT (UK)  »
Ah thanks Bertie fooled me as he was down on census as a son of John and Julia rather than a grandson.

Yes I did wonder if Edwin and Edmund were the same person. 

There could be another Lee/Pickering family around but I think Julia is likely to be yours as mother was Julia.  She may have died young between census as may a couple of the others.

Might be easier to see who has survived, don't want to over complicate things!

 Julia LEE(pickering) died at Edmonton in 1916 and I think John LEE died in 1921 they were not on the electoral rolls for 1918 at the Gordon Road address.
 Thomas was not on either death cert as informant. Full name for the mother of Henry was Elizabeth Julia LEE Pickering there was no other, she just went by Julia in later life,
 I noted there some LEE/PICKERING births on the GRO index in London but I didn't count them because of where I figured the family were living, ie a Lucy for example.
cheers
Bob

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Suffolk / Re: Thomas LEE from Surrey to Suffolk and back ? 1770 to 1846
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 14:49 GMT (UK)  »
I had another look at the image(s) of St Marys Bletchingly. For Thomas LEE son of Richard and Jane LEE also his brother Daniel LEE and this time I found him thank you.
 But apparently there 2 choices of images connected to the transcript. The initial small image on the right of the initial result and then a larger image which you are invited to click and view. The sons are listed on only one image?
Jane FIELD was Richard LEE's second wife and mother to Thomas and Daniel. They were married at Bletchingley in 19th September 1767 where Richard is described as a widower.
thanks
Bob

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London and Middlesex / Re: The LEE-LLOYD-HASTHORPE CONNECTION
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 14:26 GMT (UK)  »
There is a man on ANC..... that has this couple on his tree. Looks like he is on the Pickering side.

Jennifer

thanks Jennifer, actually I may be already be in contact with the owner of that tree on Ancestry his name being Stuart.
cheers
Bob

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London and Middlesex / The LEE-LLOYD-HASTHORPE CONNECTION
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 01:14 GMT (UK)  »
I am related to Louisa LEE the family matriach of this family combination of names so dooes anyone out there have a small twig of this family tree?
 Louisa was born Louisa LEE daughter of John and Julia LEE (nee PICKERING) AT Greenwich in 1873. In common with ladies of both that era and today she at her discretion massaged her age, so from the time of her first marriage to Harry Hasthorpe.
 She had 2 sons Louis and Dorian HASTHORPE to hubby #1 before he died in 1907
 Louisa then took up with a much younger school teacher named William Henry LLOYD born in wales around 1881 then took up residence in a salubrious London suburb of Harrow/Hendon. They had a swag of boys between them...I have
William Maxwell Lloyd born 1910
Cecil H. Lloyd birth, mother Hasthorpe, March 1912 Fulham
Hubert John Lloyd was born June quarter 1913 at Fulham
Dorian S. Lloyd at  (Lee mother) Hendon June 1916
 The father William Henry LLOYD died in 1940
 And the mother Louisa LLOYD died in 1943. The memorial says she was 63 but in fact dear Louisa you were probably a cracking young looking 70 year old dear Louisa !!!
 Would be nice to communicate with someone else who has this family on their tree and share info. cheers
Bob

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London and Middlesex / Re: Henry John LEE 1879 to 1901 now where are you?
« on: Wednesday 22 November 17 00:06 GMT (UK)  »
Parents of Henry John were John and Julia Lee so checking back on the census have the following children listed

Alfred 1876
Louisa 1873
Edwin Thomas 1869
Elizabeth Harriet 1862
Minnie Florence 1882
Bertie
Edmund
Thomas William 1885
Henry John 1879

That's only 9 so another 4 to find even before going through to see which have died.

Mothers maiden name Pickering.
Correct except that "Bertie" is John LEE the head's grandson and Elizabeth Harriet's the married daughter's son (someone else made the same mistake on their tree on Ancestry) Elizabeth and her son's surname is SAWYER. Also Edmund and Edwin LEE are one and the same person, so that brings the count back to 7 + 6 as per the 1911 census return. Elizabeth Harriet was the eldest and the youngest Thomas William or otherwise known as plain William on the 1911 of the survivors. Via the GRO index I found other LEE with PICKERING mother births from where I knew the family were living. There are a few questionable ones in the London area who don't appear in the following family census so I am thinking another LEE/PICKERING family somewhere?

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London and Middlesex / William LEE where did you go after 1911?
« on: Tuesday 21 November 17 17:42 GMT (UK)  »
 As a follow on to my Henry John LEE topic I have his brother William LEE who was registered at Tottenham in 1885 25th April as Tomas William LEE parents John LEE and Elizabeth Julia PICKERING, last seen in the 1911 census for Gordon Road, Edmonton as a 26 year old, single, piano forte worker. He also appears to have done a runner.
 Generally went by the name just William, or in one census as William T.
Have checked all the possible and most likely deaths and marriages etc, local electoral rolls etc
 No record of him on his mother 1916 and father 1921 death certs. So far he doesn't seem to be a WW1 casualty including the obvious record of a William LEE who died in July 1917, same birthplace/residence. I have not found on passenger lists and he does not appear on the 1939 Identity Registration.
Ideas anyone?

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London and Middlesex / Re: Henry John LEE 1879 to 1901 now where are you?
« on: Tuesday 21 November 17 17:22 GMT (UK)  »
OK so the baby was Nellie Lee, mother's maiden name Flynn, born & died Jun qtr 1901 Holborn.

And I see that Henry John Lee fibbed about his age when he married "Helen" Flynn in Hackney on 4 Nov 1900.  He claimed to be 28 & Helen 21.

Yes either he did or the vicar got it wrong. I have his 1879 birth registration and he was truthful age wise to the enumerator in 1901

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Suffolk / Re: Thomas LEE from Surrey to Suffolk and back ? 1770 to 1846
« on: Tuesday 21 November 17 17:10 GMT (UK)  »
The problem is I could not locate the baptism entry (image) for neither brother's baptism years on Bletchingley records. Am I looking in the wrong place?

You can access the images for the children of Richard LEE and Jane baptised in Bletchingley by searching this database on Ancestry - Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812

Thomas, 7 June 1778
Daniel, 25 Aug 1782

 Thanks for the dates. I do have Ancestry sub till January, and pretty sure I browsed the images and couldn't find them written in the parish registers online. I looked at the ancient parish of st Marys, but I will have another look thanks.
cheers Bob

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London and Middlesex / Re: Henry John LEE 1879 to 1901 now where are you?
« on: Tuesday 21 November 17 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
So he must have married young if he was widowed in 1901 - how old was his wife when she died?
Sadly she was about 21 and her daughter would have been their first. A sad story with hopefully a happier ending for Henry John therefore the incentive to keep looking

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