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Hi ya sandy , year I've sat in the northants records office and still can't find a marriage cert for Susan and J T York . Even spoke to the people that run the records office and the only thing they came up with was that they didn't marry in catholic church but perhaps non conformist church

Anyway a big thank you for everyone that's trying to help .
THANK YOU

Sorry my grandad s name was John Thomas York
Susan was born in Holcomb and lived with William and her dad and Jane her sister in pits ford I found that out on a census ?
But why was John born John Thomas married as William and buried John Thomas . It doesn't make sense to me

nnlad , you are quite correct on that fact . there was kate elizabeth  my grest aunt. john william he served in the northants regiment in 1898 for the full 22 years . he is my great uncle , frank william . harry , susan is my ggrandnan. Alice who was next and she died in 1975 there was also a bertie who was the final child fom william and ellen , ellen died in her forties all of which lived in pitsford .
quick question have you been reserching the shirley line ........................... ! :-) 

there are alot of William I'n the Shirley line .
could Thomas be passed down from my gggrandma family but then that's a huge can as she was a Ellen bunting then I'n census she was bunting Mason cause she married then I haven't a clue her husband must have died then she married my gggrandfather William Shirley . so her surname then became bunting Mason Shirley .I hope this helps rather than hinders . ness