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Lancashire / Re: William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Tuesday 26 September 17 12:54 BST (UK)  »
I'm confident the Philadelphia family is not the one I'm researching.  They're the one posted previously in Spring Garden in 1900 and 1910, a neighborhood of Allegheny City, later annexed into Pittsburgh.  I have Minnie's marriage in 1901 with the same address.  Philadelphia is 300 miles away on the other end of a very wide state.

Since somebody brought up the idea of William and Ann's marriage being a second one for Ann, I'll add a fact which I previously gave no credibility.  I have obituaries for both William and Ann in which her maiden name is listed as Hardy.  I also have death certificates for Minnie and three of her siblings.  Three of those death certificates list parents as William Holt and Ann Hardy.   But one lists Ann's maiden name as either Bower or Borver (it's hard to read).  I read it as Bower.  Maybe that was either her real maiden name or the husband's name in a first marriage.  Odds are it was just a mistaken name but I thought I should point it out. 
 

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Lancashire / Re: William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Monday 25 September 17 23:38 BST (UK)  »
I've become convinced that passenger list is the right family, so Minnie's name at birth was probably Mary Holt, and her mother's name was Sarah Ann Hardy.

Does that open up any new possibilities?

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Lancashire / Re: William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Monday 25 September 17 12:19 BST (UK)  »
One additional fact I've uncovered.  It appears Minnie was Catholic, based on where she and other members of the family were buried.  At least in this country, that's a pretty good indicator of religion.

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Lancashire / Re: William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Monday 25 September 17 11:51 BST (UK)  »
I can't locate the two children from that 1879 ship's list anywhere, certainly not in Allegheny County where Spring Garden is located.  I can't find death certificates for them either, but that's not conclusive since those started at various dates in different parts of the country.

I do have death certificates for the two children in the 1900 census.  Both list parents as William Holt and Anne Hardy, and both said they were born in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh), in 1883 and 1890.

I'm doing this research for a friend.  I've asked him if he knows of any other of Minnie's siblings.

I appreciate all the help I've gotten so far.

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Lancashire / Re: William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Monday 25 September 17 09:55 BST (UK)  »
Heywood - yes, that's them in the 1900 and 1910 census.  Immigration dates were often reported as different years in different censuses.

amondg - I could not find them in the 1880 census anywhere.  Some people were either missed in censuses or did a fine job of avoiding them.

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Lancashire / William Henry Holt m Annie Hardy
« on: Monday 25 September 17 02:04 BST (UK)  »
All the information below is from records in America.  I'm trying to locate them in England, with Lancashire the most likely county.

William Henry Holt was born 3/10/1854 (or 1856 in different records)
Annie Hardy was born 10/22/1856 (or 1859 in different records)
They married in 1876.

Their first child Minnie (might have been Philomena at birth) was born 11/1878.  They emigrated to America in 1879 so the marriage, birth and departure were between censuses.

I found a christening record for a William Henry Holt in Rochdale on 4/9/1854 but I'm not sure that's him.

Any help locating their births, marriage or the birth of their child would be appreciated

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Radnorshire / David and "Margo" Prosser of Llangattock
« on: Wednesday 28 October 15 22:07 GMT (UK)  »
I’m helping a friend find her ancestors in Wales and would like to have the good folks on Rootschat check my work and fill in gaps.

I’m researching David and “Margot” Prosser from Wales.  Based on census records and known names of children I got lucky and found their arrival on September, 1833 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  Here are names and ages from the passenger list:

David – 44
Mary Ann – 40   she appears as Margaret in the 1850 U.S. census and Mary Ann in 1860
Rachel – 19
David – 15
William – 13
John – 11
Thomas - 9
Elizabeth – 5
Henry – 2

Using both Ancestry and Findmypast I found two births that match in the town of Llangattock:

David - January 3, 1818   but the mother is listed as Anna Maria
Henry – December 18, 1831   and the mother is listed as Margaret

There's also a birth of Mary to David and Mary Prosser in Lllangattock in 1820 that might be a child who didn't survive that fits a gap between Rachel and David.

I also found the birth of David (the father) there, baptized May 3, 1789 which gave the names of parents John and Rachel.

There’s a decent match of David Prosser marrying Rachel Bevan in Raglan, Monmouth on November 10, 1777, but that’s 16 miles from Llangattock so maybe that’s a stretch.  But the oldest daughter was named Rachel and one son was named John.

Any help you can provide or pointers where else to look would be appreciated.

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Wales / Charles Smith, born December 28, 1864 or 1865
« on: Monday 25 August 14 22:51 BST (UK)  »
I'm helping someone trace Charles Smith's ancestors.  On his death certificate in 1916 in Pittsburgh, PA his parents are listed as Michael Smith (born England) and Bridget Cavenaugh (maybe Cavanaugh?) born in Ireland.  On another record he listed his date of birth as December 28, 1864 and I think that's more likely.  The person I'm helping believes he was born in Cardiff, Wales, but there have been enough mistakes in that work that I don't trust that specific location.  But he consistently recorded his birth place as Wales.  On two censuses he said he immigrated to America in 1883.  He didn't marry until 4 years after he arrived in the states.

Any help finding his birth location and parents would be appreciated.

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Devon Lookup Requests / Re: Charles Thornton
« on: Thursday 17 July 14 22:48 BST (UK)  »
He gave a specific date and place for his birth in the 1900 census, 8/1865 in Victoria, Australia.

I searched the Australian birth records on ancestry and there's no birth recorded anything close to what he said.  One never knows how complete those types of records are, but there are 9 Charles  Thornton's born in the decade he said, none in 1865, none with the middle initial S. and none with the parents' name he gave.

Yup - neither Charles nor Jennie appear after 1900, excepting his divorce and death.

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