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Ayrshire / Re: Edward STEWART, weaver
« on: Saturday 30 June 18 13:28 BST (UK)  »
Yes Colin, I did finally find Edward jnr's birth, along with his siblings - but only when I searched for all births 1780-1790 in Craigie/Kilmarnock, after I'd already tried for Edward on his own in Kilmarnock (although on second thoughts I was probably concentrating on 1788-1793). Thanks for the lead to Craigie.
For now, my head is spinning and I have now to update all my records...perhaps tomorrow!  ;)
Many thanks again for all your help.
Andrea

PS - What - A Stewart not born in Scotland?!! :o

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Ayrshire / Re: Edward STEWART, weaver
« on: Saturday 30 June 18 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Colin, thank you for your help and suggestions.
I've not been able to find Edward snr's birth on line - I was given most of the info about the family by my husband's cousin (my husband John's mother was Florence Jean Stewart), and when I recorded all this some ten years ago was not as careful about checking sources! - but your suggested 1786 birth in Craigie sounds likely.
Can you suggest any online sources which may have some of the missing bits?
I do have the parish record of Edward and Margaret's marriage, but the info in that is minimal.
Birth dates for Edward jnr and his wife Eliza Gordon are recored on their headstone in Wentworth, NSW, so hopefully they are both accurate!
And where did you find Edward snr's siblings?

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Ayrshire / Re: Edward STEWART, weaver
« on: Thursday 28 June 18 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, GR2 - I think I made an error there, as you said. And now, having checked the 1841 census again, he is recorded as being born in Ayrshire; unless the recorder made an error, the Campbelltown birth cannot be his anyway! I think I'd better start another search...

And ColC: I do have the details of Edward's marriage to Margaret, but it seems now that, as above, he is not the same person as that born in Argyllshire. Do you have any information in that area?

I will follow up your suggestion re the Burns Monument Centre to try to find his death.

Thank again -
Andrea

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Ayrshire / Edward STEWART, weaver
« on: Tuesday 26 June 18 07:04 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking for a date of death for Edward Stewart, b. 2 Jan 1792 in Campbelltown, Ayrshire. He was listed in the 1841 census with his family - wife Margaret [Littlejohn] and seven children.
In 1851, Margaret was listed on her own, under her maiden name, widowed and with just two of the children. This suggests to me that her husband Edward died between 1839 (when their youngest was born) and 1851, but I can find no trace of any death or burial record for him.
Can anyone help?
Thanks-
Andrea

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Joseph SMITH Convict to Australia 2nd Fleet
« on: Thursday 13 October 11 05:12 BST (UK)  »
Just one correction here, KASmith: Elizabeth (b. 1802) was probably Joseph's daughter, but was not Margaret's; at that tme Margaret was with someone else -- either William SMITH (not connected to us) or Patrick SHANNON. The general opinion, with no evidence to the contrary, is that Elizabeth's mother was an Aboriginal woman.

I only have definite info about three offspring from Joseph & Margaret: Joseph (1804-1856), William (1809-1881), and Mary Ann (1811-1912) -- but I have no birth certificates as proof, just the NSW BDM listings.

Have just arrived at our next house-sit, so won't have much time for a few days; will keep looking, though!  ;))

Cheers -- Andrea

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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Joseph SMITH Convict to Australia 2nd Fleet
« on: Thursday 06 October 11 12:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi, KASmith -

Firstly, you may notice that I've had to edit my first post: on checking I found that I'd confused Joseph with his long-term friend (also from the 'Neptune') William Baker. Joseph's son William married William Baker's daughter Elizabeth. (The families were also linked when William Baker jnr married Mary Ann Smith!)

Now, you say in your post 'my father is Joseph Smith son of Frank Smith son of Joseph Smith etc.' I'm not sure which generation you've gone back to; is that Frank a son of Joseph Smith jnr & Mary Hannabus?

Concerning Margaret Holmes: I have an extract from the book 'William Baker, Gentleman', which states:
...the transport Mary Ann...sailed from England 16th February 1791 and arrived Port Jackson 9th July 1791, having on board 150 female convicts of whom 9 died on the passage. Of those who survived, one Margaret Holmes was later to become the wife of Joseph Smith and to officially bear him three children, two of whom were to marry children of William Baker.

This suggests that Margaret bore three children to Joseph Smith, but she certainly had at least one other before that. The web site <www.easystreetretreat.com.au> has more info about Margaret, and quotes from C J Smee's 'Third Fleet Families of Australia' (I'd love a copy!): 'During the voyage or shortly afterwards, Margaret and a seamen named Morrison conceived a child born 28 Apr 1792 at Sydney Cove named William.'

There is more info again on the 'SMITH-HOLMES' web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~allansmyth49/smith_holmes_family_page.htm
And two other partners mentioned were William SMITH (by whom she apparently had a son and a daughter), and Patrick SHANNON (By whom she had another son).

I've not verified any of the above - not even sure how much is verifiable! - only the three that Margaret bore Joseph Smith.

So, I'm not able as yet to shed much more light on the familes. Do you know much about their life in Australia?


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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Joseph SMITH Convict to Australia 2nd Fleet
« on: Thursday 15 September 11 05:18 BST (UK)  »
Turramurra, Joseph was my g-g-g-grandfather by direct descent; I'd like to share more info with you if possible. Are you related? Do you by any chance have a photo of his grave?

I know little beyond the Old Bailey record and that he was from St Clement Danes [*edited 6/10] probably from London; have you found any prior history, e.g. birth record, parents?

Andrea

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