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England / Re: Two dates on a marriage certificate?
« on: Saturday 09 May 20 09:57 BST (UK)  »
I apologise for replying to a thread so long dead, but just in case it's still of interest: 9 S af Tr is perhaps 9th Sunday After Trinity so essentially same date, different format.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will 1659 - what did he get??
« on: Tuesday 06 December 11 10:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone, evidently young Hugh got a horse  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will 1659 - what did he get??
« on: Tuesday 06 December 11 06:29 GMT (UK)  »
Definitely Countie - much easier to determine with it in context of course. It's the testator's residence, from the usual introduction to a will "of the parish of Clocaenog in the Countie of Denbigh"

Incidentally, Clocaenog is spelt "Clorkaynock" which is presumably how it was pronounced then. (Mind you, I have no idea it ought to be said now, although it's a pretty fair bet, not the way I do.)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will 1659 - what did he get??
« on: Tuesday 06 December 11 01:58 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: PrueM on Monday 05 December 11 23:22 GMT (UK)
If we could see some more snips of the handwriting, I'm pretty sure it would make obvious the letterforms for "r" and "l" and "t"...as the "f"s seem quite distinctive I don't think the word ends in "f".

More attached. I'm also thinking "read" now

Quote from: PrueM
Gnu is correct, you almost always see livestock described by colour rather than any other way, if the writer has to distinguish between different animals :)

I suppose red could be spelt that way. I once came across "Readhead" as a surname from roughly the same period and thought at the time there had to be a notable red-head somewhere in their lineage.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Will 1659 - what did he get??
« on: Monday 05 December 11 11:14 GMT (UK)  »
That was quick!

Both suggestions make sense, although as gnu said, the "f" is distinctive.  According to the inventory he had both horses & cattle. The interesting thing is that if the grandson is the person I think he may be he was all of three at the time - maybe he was meant to grow into the horse!

(Another New South Wales resident here, Prue  :))

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will 1659 - what did he get?? Solved
« on: Monday 05 December 11 10:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

In 1659 Hugh Salesbury left to his grandchild of the same name "five pounds and a..." I'm trying to work out just what went with the five pounds.

Apart from money, other bequests in the same document included corne, graine, hay, horses and sheepe & a black hayfer (heifer) so likely something agricultural. I make it a "read Coult" (leave & Countie attached for comparison) but if so I'm none the wiser. Anybody else come across such a thing/beastie?

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: POWELL in Llanrhaiadr?
« on: Tuesday 29 November 11 12:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: wilcoxon
These transcipts are at Clwyd FHS at Cefn, you can check them there if  you are a member. There will be at least the childs name and probably the father.

I know but I'm in Australia you see. If all else fails I'll add them to my wish list, only so far it looks as if the family was there relatively short term.

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: POWELL in Llanrhaiadr?
« on: Tuesday 29 November 11 00:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Wilcoxon. I didn't know there were two Llanrhaiadrs. I'm guessing it was in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch that Henry lived, being close by and it looks as if there are at least a couple of Powell baptisms there in the 1736 - 77 transcript - doesn't give their names though.

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / POWELL in Llanrhaiadr?
« on: Monday 28 November 11 07:36 GMT (UK)  »
Henry Powell was baptised in Clocaenog, Denbighshire in 1712 and buried there in 1758. According to his father's will he had 7 children, Robert, Ellis, Richard, Jane, Henry, John & Thomas.

None of their births are recorded at Clocaenog and according to the burial entry Henry was living in Llanrhaiadr, so I'm wondering whether their births and their parents' marriage might have been registered in that parish. Any help much appreciated :)

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