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World War One / Re: Percy died and the family were untraceable?
« on: Sunday 28 January 24 17:57 GMT (UK)  »
Is Percy the son of Arthur Edward Gibbs and Catherine Caffery, who were married in 1893 Croydon?
1901 Census has the family living in Norwood area.
At a quick glance, I didn't see them in 1911.
Jackie

Yes I assume Percy is the son of Arthur and Catherine

1911 14 Railway Place, Sunbury Middlesex they are boarders with Robert Goddard and family

Kate Gibs 40 mar laundress  born ? Surrey  ( mar 17yrs 5 children 4 living 1 deceased)
Arthur Gibs 16 lab on farm    Born Penge Surrey
Percy Gibs 13   scholar              born Croydon Surrey

Yes, that's Catherine with sons Arthur jnr and Percy.  She appears to have died 1916 in Ashford, Middlesex (about 2 miles from her 1911 address), with Percy Gibbs informant.  As Arthur junior attested with the Artillery in 1913, I suspect there was no-one at the Ashford address who knew where other members of the family after Percy died on the western front - thus the medals were returned

Arthur Gibbs in 1911 was at Church Army House in Stockwell, South London.  He reappears in Sydenham in 1919, marrying, as a widower,  Elizabeth Rose Ansett, at Lewisham Register Office, living in the same road as Arthur junior in 1921

The rmedal card makes reference to 1743 KR. 

Para 1743 of the Kings Regulations 1912 says "medals which, at the end of 10 years, still remain unclaimed, will be sent to the India Office (if granted for India service) or to the deputy director of ordnance stores, Royal Dockyard (Medal Branch), Woolwich (if granted for other service) to be broken up".

So the medals were never claimed. 

That's very helpful , Jomot, thank you very much

I'll mark this thread closed in a few days, if there's no more responses

JULIAN

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World War One / Percy died and the family were untraceable?
« on: Friday 26 January 24 21:35 GMT (UK)  »
I'm after a bit of help in interpreting army docs from WW1 in relation to Private Percy Edgar Gibbs  G/22590 who was killed in action with the 8th Batallion Buffs/East Kent regiment 10 Aug 1917. Memorialised on Menin Gate.

There's no service or pension record on ancestry/FindMyPast

His "soldier's effects" record shows no payments (extract attached)

His medal award roll shows that the medals were returned (extract attached)

His medal roll index card suggests medals were returned, and in the correspondence section it looks as though advice has been sought about the disposal of his medals. (attached)

No soldiers will on the probate service site, and a search of the London Gazette had no joy on notices on deceased estates.

So my question of those who understand the codes and "grammar" of these documents: Is there anything on these documents to suggest that there was a payout of remaining pay etc and medals were delivered to someone?  My assumption is that outstanding pay and medals weren't released, but I'd like to be sure

Thanks in anticipation

JULIAN

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: My Heritage DNA - FREE Advanced Features
« on: Thursday 05 October 23 10:42 BST (UK)  »
Uploading raw data from Ancestry and taking advantage of the tools you usually have to pay for, saving a few is what I am suggesting. I wasn’t suggesting anyone pay for a My Heritage DNA test.

But since you mentioned it, for me, Ancestry has been disappointing - very few of my matches have trees, a few have only two or three names, and virtually no one responds to my messages.

Unless the infomation is hidden away or I’ve missed it (likely), you can’t even see what country your match lives in or their approximate age, which might at least have given a starting point to do your own research to try to find where your connection is.

I’m probably just unlucky match wise.  :)

It's frustrating, isn't it?  I just check for each match identified by Ancestry to see if there are any further shared matches.  I just concentrate on these groupings

The one bonus with the My Heritage matching is that you can see what the relationship might be between two of your matches, which you can't with Ancestry (or I've just not worked out how to do it!).  So it is worth loading your ancestry test onto My Heritage when they have these offers.  I expect they want to grow their reference group by importing Ancestry test results.

JULIAN

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The Common Room / Re: Insolvent debtors London Gazette
« on: Thursday 28 September 23 18:25 BST (UK)  »
It wouldn't be easy if your ancestor was called John Smith, but I managed to find the progress of a disappearing relative through insolvency by searching the London Gazette for the different stages of the process eg the case brought by the indebted, appointment of an administrator, through to final settlement of xp in the £.

This was supplemented by searching newspaper coverage.

In my case the debtor had disappeared into thin air, leaving an empty village shop, so the newspaper coverage provided a bit more colour.

In piecing it all into a story you'd need to be mindful as to what the legal rules and process were at the time it all happened, which is where the TNA guide is helpful.

I am just saying all this to give you some encouragement  :D

JULIAN

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Reference Library / Re: Rootschatter's family history websites
« on: Thursday 28 September 23 16:35 BST (UK)  »

The Members' FH Websites list http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-websites.php has been updated (by deleting broken links) today, 28 Sep 2023. 

There are just a few broken links left, while remaining messages to rootschatters about any successor sites are in process, so to speak.

If anyone wants to add new sites, I have site permission to do that.  I am sure Berlin-Bob can add them too  :)

JULIAN

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Maurice Jeal
« on: Wednesday 27 September 23 23:07 BST (UK)  »
Evening All

Could someone do a lookup for me regarding Maurice Jeal b. Feb1921 Croydon. I am trying to establish my Fathers birth address. Mother was Ruth Ada Jeal nee Leigh and Father was Maurice Obed Jeal, the 2 addresses that I know they lived at are 8 Cooper Road and 7 Hillside Road both in Croydon but I know these are later addresses. I have through the family heard the address Penshurst Road in Thornton Heath Croydon mentioned but I would like to know for sure. Am I right in thinking the 1921 Census would give that information. Thanking all in advance for any information found. Dave

In the 1924 Wards Directory for Croydon, Maurice Obed Jeal was listed at 7 Waddon Marsh Lane.
At the time of his marriage to Ruth Ada Leigh in November 1920, he was living at Waddon Lodge Gardens, which was the same address as on his RAF Service Record (he was a driver in WW1 - Attestation in April 1917).

In 1939 the family were living in Cooper Road at the back of Duppas Hill Recreation Ground.

In 1963 they (Maurice Obed & Ruth, that is) were round the corner at 7 Hillside Road.  Looks like Maurice and his wife Nellie were living in Burgess Hill in 1963.

Hope this is helpful

JULIAN

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: 1918 Birth - Unable to find Birth Record
« on: Sunday 27 February 22 11:23 GMT (UK)  »
This caught my eye too.  Sarah James Pattenden married James Andrews Q4 1896 St Saviour Southwark Reg District.  In 1939 Register Sarah is widowed, living at 23 Purbrook Street, Bermondsey, with Thomas born 24 Jun 1910 (and his wife), William J born 1 April 1916, and George born 12 Apr 1920.

So I think you can rule out the two St Olave births that aghadowey found.  I must admit I wouldn't have thought Pattenden was that common a name, but hey ho.

Would the births be registered under a different mother's maiden name.  For example was Florence previously married, or possibly were any of the births registered under the name Pattenden?

[WHOOPS Just noticed Comberton beat me to it with the other marriage - but the searching tips I suggested might still be worth doing]

Good luck

JULIAN

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A good bit of my research is now in book form - 600 pages or so. The latest version is in electronic form, but I have donated print versions to the Society of Genealogists' library, which is probably the most significant genealogical depository in the UK. If I were an American, I'd be sending it to Salt Lake City for the same reasons.

Coincidentally, I was just looking at the Society Of Genealogists website!  How do you handle information about living people in these books, and do you have to provide a processing payment to SOG for this?

JULIAN

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