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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 18:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all who assisted me on this.  I now have them all "grafted" onto my tree and hopefully, at some later date, DNA will confirm the facts and then I may find some "step/half siblings" (or whatever they are).


Richard

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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 18:05 GMT (UK)  »
   Walter Montrose Francis McKenzie
Baptism Age   0
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   6 Jul 1909
Baptism Date   13 Feb 1910
Baptism Place   St John the Evangelist, Red Lion Square, Camden, England
Father   John Percival McKenzie
Mother   Beatrice Eleanor McKenzie

You have turned up more information in your last 3 post than I have in weeks.

So my mother was less than forthcoming in regards to her past.  Cyril did not die in the war, so either they divorced or she was a really, really naughty girl back then.

Many thanks

Richard

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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 12:42 GMT (UK)  »
That I never considered !!!
Food for thought there.

But I still need to identify Cyril’s family (and tree) to try a DNA approach.  If this was an ancient member of my tree I would most likely leave it as another “wall”.  But this is a Step Father and any other children he had are my 1/2 siblings.

If Sheila lied on her marriage cert then the only way I can see to prove (or not) is to find Cyril. If he died in the war then she told the truth. If he lived then she may have told a “porky pie”, and even been married to 2 men at once.
(Sounds like a movie plot)

Richard


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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 19:12 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the information in your last 2 posts.  I do not think Sheila divorced as her marriage cert shows “widow” when she wed my father.
So I have to search further to find Cyril’s death, if such a record exists that is.


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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 17:09 GMT (UK)  »
Sheila was my mother and she married my father ( Fredrick William Schoch) in 1947.  She had a complicated life ..3 husbands, 6 children to the 3 men. 
She had her 1st son Micheal John Francis in 1943.  So obviously I am trying to find out what happened to her 1st husband Cyril.  She never spoke of him but implied that he was killed in WW11, hence this post.
While I have now added more family members I still have no idea where Cyril went.  Strange I can trace some branches of my tree to the 1700’s but can not solve this one.

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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 15:28 GMT (UK)  »
Yes funny enough just going through those now.  Seems to be a few of them.

Thanks

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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Cas,

Yes I saw that name (Walter Montrose) before but not the mmn of Mackenzie.  So it looks as John Percival and his wife had at least 3 children, one of whom died before the 1911 census, and Cyril born later that year.
Filling in the family nicely now thanks to everyone's help.
Just need to find death details for Cyril, but that is a very common combination of names so the search is slow I think.



Richard

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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Saturday 04 March 23 02:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks ,

On the button thanks.  Now I have to find what happened to Cyril, did he die in the war or not.
Still need to locate his military record (maybe RAF) to see if he could be the natural father to Michael Francis.

The 1911 census shows 2 children, one still alive, wonder where the living one is (is he Cyril), or was Cyril born later in the year?  Questions I have plenty... answers not so much  LOL

Ain’t this fun 


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Wales / Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« on: Friday 03 March 23 17:13 GMT (UK)  »
Well the digital copy of the wedding cert has arrived.

Confirmed Cyril Edward Francis (Corporal), 30yrs, married Sheila Elizabeth Gibson (18) 1 May 1941.
His father was John Percival Francis (Hotel Porter).

They were both posted at an RAF base at St Athan. (near Cardiff, Wales.) Also if he held the rank of Corporal then he was not in the Royal Artillery as he would have been a Bombadier.

So more "digging" ahead to identify his death date.


Thanks for the guidance.


Richard

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