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Hi
There is a Thomas and Grace Webster in Crowan on the censuses born 1781/1783 but he was born in Cambourne and it also says that on the marriage.
There is a christening Thomas Webster s of William and Jane in Camborne 7.3.1784 which would fit nicely .So different chap.
I think you are on the right track with Thomas and Joan 1776 Corwan.

Ciderdrinker

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Hi again
just found this
The Atherstone House History Project
https://www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/content/article/atherstone-house-history-project-further-abbreviations

It gives the houses and who was there in each along Long Street and Market st in 1786.

There should be something for you.

Ciderdrinker

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Hi
I'd love to help but struggling to find the address.
Old maps are here
https://maps.nls.uk/view/114594387   in 1903

https://maps.nls.uk/view/228800267   in 1887

The 1861 census has coming from Long Street on Market Street(just head of households)
William C Holland  61 Stationer still there in 1851
Hugh Stanton 55 saddler still there 1851
Joseph Morris 69 and Isabella 63 House proprietor  and 1851

Market Place
James Burton 36 bookseller  and 1851
Mary Nosworthy 37 Post mistress
Samuel Rowley 58 hair dresser  and 1851
James Haddon 52 grocer
George Sale 85 retired draper and 1851
Ralph Crith 36 wine merchant
Thomas Bates 69 gardener  seedsman 1851
Edward S Sanderson 29 school master

Chapel House Henry Power 59 solicitor also 1851
Market st
Eliza Finchback 50 governess  Called Ivy Cottage in 1851
Ann Beach 72 fundholder  there 1851
Jonathon Keene 50 cork cutter
John Barfoot 29 clock maker
Joseph Beech 44 grocer and druggist. and 1851
It then goes to Sheepy Head

Just no sign of St Mary's Court ,could it have been called something else before?
Swan entry perhaps?

  In 1851 census extra entries Swan Yard
John Bates 52 milk seller with wife Mary 53
Joseph Fox 56 bricklayer and wife Elizabeth 60 ,daughter Hannah 16
Rebecca Vesey Allen milk seller 44

Ciderdrinker



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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookups 1778 and 1710
« on: Monday 22 April 24 10:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi
It looks like Henry was John's elder brother
Henry Donn bapt 28.6.1727 s of William and Ann at St Mary De Crypt,Gloucester.
Four older siblings at Gloucester
Jane Dunn 1716
William  Dunn 22.2.1719
Thomas Dunn 25.4.1722
Mary Donn  born 13.2.1725 bapt 29.5.1726

So a lot of children there.
Possible marriage at Quedgeley William Dunne of Gloucester to Ann Reade of Elmore  19.6.1715

William Doune bapt 5.3.1692 s of William and Jane.
Siblings Mary 3.9.1694,Jane 2.8.1700

So Capetown has cracked it the Dunns/Dones came from Gloucester.

Ciderdrinker


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Gloucestershire / Re: Help with Joseph please
« on: Saturday 20 April 24 12:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I agree I don't think he is the one who marries Elizabeth.
I think that is the Joseph Williams bapt 16.10.1808 s of Francis and Elizabeth  Williams  looks like the one in Almondbury.
Father Francis is born in Olveston in 1774 and buried at Almondbury 13.7.1828 age 54 of Almondbury Hill. His sons Francis born 1805 and George born 1804 seem to be buried there too.

Then we have Joseph born 1800 s of John and Ann Williams bapt 16 Feb 1800 (family there until daughter Hannah born 1822).
And your Joseph bapt 1805 s of James and Mary . Son George 1802 in Olveston ,a butcher. Elder son James born 1801 farmer in Olveston .The family seem to have stayed in Olveston.

But if we look at the censuses that is not right.
1861 Olveston
Joseph Williams 61 farmer
Charlotte Webb 62 Almondsbury sister in law

She started life as Charlotte Brown 14.10.1798 d of George and Elizabeth at Almondsbury.
She married Henry Webb at Bristol st Pauls 21.10.1841.
That Joseph remarries an Eliza 1861-1871.
That also seems to be at St pauls 12.10.1869
Joseph Williams s of John Williams a widower and Eliza Luce spinster d of John Luce
And she is born in Olveston as per the 1871 census and about the right age.
I can't see a copy of the marriage only a partial transcript.

So it looks like Joseph Williams who marries Rachel Brown in 1832 is the son of John and Ann.
Joseph who marries Elizabeth Skinner is the son of Francis and Elizabeth ,given that Francis is deceased by then.
And I don't know what happened to Joseph Williams born 1805 s of James and Mary.

Does that help?

Ciderdrinker

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Hi
Yes sorry about that .I went with the transcription on Find a grave
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150138326/mary-margaret-hughes

However they are all on the same gravestone and her age can't be right because son Clifford is given as born 1839 .Trouble is ,the first digit of her age at death is so worn it's difficult to tell.
She *6 years old in 1866.
So given son Clifford born 1839 her year of birth has to be 1820,1810 ,1800.

Looking at another data set Sydney, Australia, Cemetery Headstone Transcriptions, 1837-2003 on Ancestry it says 56.
Clifford Thomas  Henry was baptised 26 Dec 1841 birth date May 25th Liverpool St Luke Sydney so that doesn't quite match up either. (Clifford's entrance to Darlinghurst jail in July 1860 also says age 20 so born 1840).

Ciderdrinker

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage lookups 1778 and 1710
« on: Friday 19 April 24 14:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi
William and Ann Done's children at Barnwood
Ann 5.2.1733
Susannah 21.12.1735
Priscilla 4.2.1738
Samuel 7.6.1741
Samuel 3.4.1743
William 1.12.1745
Charles 4.1.1747
John 15.4.1750
Thomas 11.12.1752

possible burial for William Dunn 24.11.1769,or 5 Sep 1794 and 12.2.1797

And that's as far as I can see.
There don't seem to be any Attawoods at all.
It's bloody awkward

Ciderdrinker

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Flintshire / Re: Buckley Cemetery
« on: Friday 19 April 24 12:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello
I'm not in the local area but it looks like there was a gravestone and it's on Find a Grave .com.

www.findagrave.com/memorial/226010435/agnes-evans

It has a possible burial date 1906 but there wasn't a burial in 1906 ,only 1916 so it looks like her and the stone has weathered a bit.
The site does allow you to request a photo.I've not done it so I don't know if they charge or how much.

But it is there. There are a William and Elizabeth Evans not too faraway according to the Grave numbers.

Ciderdrinker

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Maria Clough, b1819 Manchester
« on: Friday 19 April 24 12:03 BST (UK)  »
Hello
This does look tricky
I've checked the maiden name for the children and it looks like Richard Lomas has two wives called Maria.
His second marriage is in Dec qtr 1849 to a Maria Hindle at Sculcoates.
So the 1851 census does not count.
Children
Elizabeth 1840 Manchester
Hannah Sep 1842 Manchester mdn Clough
John Hindle Mar qtr 1845 Sculcoates  mdn Hindle
Elizabeth Ann Mar 1849 same
Richard Dec 1852 same
Maria June 1855 same
Isaac Sep 1857
Martha June  1863 Ashton under Lyme

Like you I'm struggling to find an Elisha Clough carter.
There is an Elisha Clough over at Harewood farmer born 1795 who married Jane Smith 10.8.1819 at Leeds.No sign of a daughter Maria though.

Ciderdrinker

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