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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Monday 02 April 12 10:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks Brenda. I think you are on to this line but I can't prove it.
Have you tried tracing her back further?
Have you tried tracing her back further?
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Thursday 22 March 12 08:42 GMT (UK) »
Just to advise that I has established a DNA project for the surname Nin/Nyn/Nynne at
www.familytreeDNA.com
and my DNA results are available there.
I would encourage anyone who is from Kent with the Ninn surname (or variant) to consider having the DNA test and joining the group. The DNA test can be organised at this web site.
It will help towards understanding the origins of this name.
You can go directly to the project at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Nin/
www.familytreeDNA.com
and my DNA results are available there.
I would encourage anyone who is from Kent with the Ninn surname (or variant) to consider having the DNA test and joining the group. The DNA test can be organised at this web site.
It will help towards understanding the origins of this name.
You can go directly to the project at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Nin/
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Tuesday 06 March 12 23:19 GMT (UK) »
I did a search on births in the GRO Index on findmypast.co.uk for Ninn in the UK from 1950 to 2006 - not just Kent (I restricted it to exact spelling - no variants), and only got the following:
NINN Linda D England Kent, Tonbridge 1950 VIEW
NINN Rosemary England Kent, Tonbridge 1952 VIEW
NINN Douglas J England Kent, Ashford 1953 VIEW
NINN Nicholas L England Kent, Ashford 1961 VIEW
NINN Gillian D England Kent, Ashford 1964 VIEW
NINN Christopher Geofrey England Kent, Ashford 1978 VIEW
NINN Vincent James England Kent, Tonbridge 1978 VIEW
NINN Maria Christina England Kent, Ashford 1981 VIEW
NINN Abigail Holly England Sussex, Hastings & Rother 2004
Note how they are still concentrated in Kent, and particularly in Ashford which is adjacent to Great Chart.
It does appear that the name is perilously close to extinction!
When you do the search allowing variants, there are other names such as Ninnes, Nind, Nine, Nines, etc and they are all scattered over the UK.
However, I feel that the surname Ninn is unique to the survivors from Ninne House Manor in Great Chart, and which was spelt Nynne prior to 1500, and possibly was just Nin before that - that is my hypothesis anyway.
NINN Linda D England Kent, Tonbridge 1950 VIEW
NINN Rosemary England Kent, Tonbridge 1952 VIEW
NINN Douglas J England Kent, Ashford 1953 VIEW
NINN Nicholas L England Kent, Ashford 1961 VIEW
NINN Gillian D England Kent, Ashford 1964 VIEW
NINN Christopher Geofrey England Kent, Ashford 1978 VIEW
NINN Vincent James England Kent, Tonbridge 1978 VIEW
NINN Maria Christina England Kent, Ashford 1981 VIEW
NINN Abigail Holly England Sussex, Hastings & Rother 2004
Note how they are still concentrated in Kent, and particularly in Ashford which is adjacent to Great Chart.
It does appear that the name is perilously close to extinction!
When you do the search allowing variants, there are other names such as Ninnes, Nind, Nine, Nines, etc and they are all scattered over the UK.
However, I feel that the surname Ninn is unique to the survivors from Ninne House Manor in Great Chart, and which was spelt Nynne prior to 1500, and possibly was just Nin before that - that is my hypothesis anyway.
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Tuesday 06 March 12 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Challock is close to the Great Chart area and, based on proximity and the rarity of the name, I would be confident in suggesting that your Ninn's go back to there in the 15thC/16thC. It seems the name moved from Great Chart to the Egerton area then across to Challock, as well as to more distant areas in Kent such as Rainham. It does seem that Ninne House Manor in Great Chart is likely the source of the name.
Just a note about the spelling. I have found that prior to 1500 the surname was nearly always spelt Nynne in Kent, but after about 1650 it is always spelt Ninn.
I am a Barber alias Nynne (or Nynne alias Barber) and have had a paternal DNA test done (thru ancestry.com). I would love to find a male Ninn from these areas in Kent who was prepared to do the DNA test to see if we are of the same male line, in which case I would know that my lineage goes back through the Nynne/Ninn family. At the moment I do not know if my name should be Barber or Nynne.
Challock is close to the Great Chart area and, based on proximity and the rarity of the name, I would be confident in suggesting that your Ninn's go back to there in the 15thC/16thC. It seems the name moved from Great Chart to the Egerton area then across to Challock, as well as to more distant areas in Kent such as Rainham. It does seem that Ninne House Manor in Great Chart is likely the source of the name.
Just a note about the spelling. I have found that prior to 1500 the surname was nearly always spelt Nynne in Kent, but after about 1650 it is always spelt Ninn.
I am a Barber alias Nynne (or Nynne alias Barber) and have had a paternal DNA test done (thru ancestry.com). I would love to find a male Ninn from these areas in Kent who was prepared to do the DNA test to see if we are of the same male line, in which case I would know that my lineage goes back through the Nynne/Ninn family. At the moment I do not know if my name should be Barber or Nynne.
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Tuesday 06 March 12 02:25 GMT (UK) »
Bearkat,
Just as aside - are you aware of the Muster Lists for soldiers 1369-1453 available at:
http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/
I became aware of it while searching for Nynnes. There is a Richard Nynne:
First Name De Surname Status Rank Captain Name Commander Year Nature of Activity Reference Membrane
Richard Nynne Man-at-arms Fiennes, Roger, Sir Gloucester, Humphrey, Duke of 1417 Exped France TNA E101/51/2 m16
A very interesting resource.
Regards
Geoff
Just as aside - are you aware of the Muster Lists for soldiers 1369-1453 available at:
http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/
I became aware of it while searching for Nynnes. There is a Richard Nynne:
First Name De Surname Status Rank Captain Name Commander Year Nature of Activity Reference Membrane
Richard Nynne Man-at-arms Fiennes, Roger, Sir Gloucester, Humphrey, Duke of 1417 Exped France TNA E101/51/2 m16
A very interesting resource.
Regards
Geoff
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Tuesday 06 March 12 02:18 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Bearkat. The source for this is:
The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Volume 7, by Edward Hasted published in 1798.
It mentions the manor of Ninne House in Great Chart:
"NINNEHOUSE is a manor, situated on the northernside of the quarry-hill, not far from the river Stour,which was antiently (anciently) the residence of John at Nin,whose figure, in armour, was with those of other eminent men formerly in the north window of the northchancel of this church; in whose descendants it continued till the reign of Henry VI. when it was alienated to Sharpe; one of whom, William Sharpe, ofthis place, died possessed of it in 1499, and lies buried in the middle isle of this church, with his fivewives, as does his descendant William Sharpe the elder, who died in 1583".
A Ninn farm and a Ninn Lane survive today in Great Chart. Unfortunately the lead light windows mentioned in the church are long gone, possibly removed during the time of Oliver Cromwell in the mid 1600's. It appears that this John at Nin could be one of the earliest ancestors of this name in Kent or Sussex.
I would love to find out more about him and would appreciate any ideas on where to look.
I went thru all the online documents in the UK National Archives and have documented the occurrences of the name Nynne/Ninne/Nin/Ninn - all occurred in the Great Chart area or nearby parishes like Egerton. I went back to about 1250 and there was no mention of John at Nin suggesting he was earlier than 1250.
Geoff
The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, Volume 7, by Edward Hasted published in 1798.
It mentions the manor of Ninne House in Great Chart:
"NINNEHOUSE is a manor, situated on the northernside of the quarry-hill, not far from the river Stour,which was antiently (anciently) the residence of John at Nin,whose figure, in armour, was with those of other eminent men formerly in the north window of the northchancel of this church; in whose descendants it continued till the reign of Henry VI. when it was alienated to Sharpe; one of whom, William Sharpe, ofthis place, died possessed of it in 1499, and lies buried in the middle isle of this church, with his fivewives, as does his descendant William Sharpe the elder, who died in 1583".
A Ninn farm and a Ninn Lane survive today in Great Chart. Unfortunately the lead light windows mentioned in the church are long gone, possibly removed during the time of Oliver Cromwell in the mid 1600's. It appears that this John at Nin could be one of the earliest ancestors of this name in Kent or Sussex.
I would love to find out more about him and would appreciate any ideas on where to look.
I went thru all the online documents in the UK National Archives and have documented the occurrences of the name Nynne/Ninne/Nin/Ninn - all occurred in the Great Chart area or nearby parishes like Egerton. I went back to about 1250 and there was no mention of John at Nin suggesting he was earlier than 1250.
Geoff
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Kent / Re: Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Monday 05 March 12 07:35 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for your reply Bearkat. I was aware of those and have had a genealogist look at them for me. For the record I have copied what I have on them below:
Nynne wills of Egerton, pre 1500.
These four wills proved to be quite challenging to decipher and I give the bare bones of the contents of each of a separate sheet. There may have been some personal names that were not legible but I am pretty sure I read all the parish names and that the only ones mentioned were near Egerton – Pivington is a hamlet in the parish of Pluckley – and there was no mention of Rotherfield or Nynne als Barber or any kin further afield that I could see. I could send them off to my Latin expert to translate. His fee is likely to be around £120 to transcribe and translate all four.
Centre for Kentish Studies, Maidstone.
PRC 32/2/7.
18 March [illegible]
Avice Nynne of Egerton. Bequests to lights in the church. Mentions daughter Julian, daughter Bridget? , feoffees John Knok, Robert Knok, William Kynge, son John, Robert Nynne.
Probate 18 April? 1460.
PRC 32/2/193.
16 October 1468? William Nynne of the parish of Egerton, bequests to lights in the church and for masses, mentions church of Smarden, Pivington, to John Metford [?] and Joan his wife, William Grene [?] and Jane his wife, makes John Nynne and John Holstrete executors.
Last will concerning his lands and tenements in Upstrete in Egerton, Charing, Westwell and Pivington, wife Agnes, Stonbrege in Egerton, son John, son Robert, daughter Alice.
Probate ? March 1468.
PRC 32/2/619.
5 December 1484 Agnes Nynne, to be buried in the church of Egerton, bequests to daughter Julian Best, John Kynge, Agnes Kyng, Stephen Kyng, daughter Alice, rest to my son Robert Nynne and my daughter Alice Nynne and I make them executors.
Probate 22 February 1484.
PRC 32/3/339.
? January 1492 John Nynne of Egerton, to be buried in the church of St.Mary’s Egerton. To the high altar for my tithes and oblations forgotten 20d. Bequests to wife Alys, to Symon Smyth, to Agnes Turnor daughter of John Turnor of Harrietsham, to Harry Turnor and Robert Turnor, my sister’s sons, to the son of Joan my sister if he be alive, to the sons of my sister Agnes, to Gylbard, John and Alis, the children of the foresaid Agnes my sister, to Richard [illegible], to Alis Elmhurst, to an honest priest to sing in the parish church of Egerton for a quarter of a year and in the church of Ulcombe for another quarter of a year.
Last will, mentions feoffees Richard Wanden, George Pemyll, Gylbard Barlyng and Richard Barlyng, lands and tenements in the parishes of Chilham and Selling, lands and tenements in Godmersham, son Thomas.
Probate 11 February 1492.
Nynne wills of Egerton, pre 1500.
These four wills proved to be quite challenging to decipher and I give the bare bones of the contents of each of a separate sheet. There may have been some personal names that were not legible but I am pretty sure I read all the parish names and that the only ones mentioned were near Egerton – Pivington is a hamlet in the parish of Pluckley – and there was no mention of Rotherfield or Nynne als Barber or any kin further afield that I could see. I could send them off to my Latin expert to translate. His fee is likely to be around £120 to transcribe and translate all four.
Centre for Kentish Studies, Maidstone.
PRC 32/2/7.
18 March [illegible]
Avice Nynne of Egerton. Bequests to lights in the church. Mentions daughter Julian, daughter Bridget? , feoffees John Knok, Robert Knok, William Kynge, son John, Robert Nynne.
Probate 18 April? 1460.
PRC 32/2/193.
16 October 1468? William Nynne of the parish of Egerton, bequests to lights in the church and for masses, mentions church of Smarden, Pivington, to John Metford [?] and Joan his wife, William Grene [?] and Jane his wife, makes John Nynne and John Holstrete executors.
Last will concerning his lands and tenements in Upstrete in Egerton, Charing, Westwell and Pivington, wife Agnes, Stonbrege in Egerton, son John, son Robert, daughter Alice.
Probate ? March 1468.
PRC 32/2/619.
5 December 1484 Agnes Nynne, to be buried in the church of Egerton, bequests to daughter Julian Best, John Kynge, Agnes Kyng, Stephen Kyng, daughter Alice, rest to my son Robert Nynne and my daughter Alice Nynne and I make them executors.
Probate 22 February 1484.
PRC 32/3/339.
? January 1492 John Nynne of Egerton, to be buried in the church of St.Mary’s Egerton. To the high altar for my tithes and oblations forgotten 20d. Bequests to wife Alys, to Symon Smyth, to Agnes Turnor daughter of John Turnor of Harrietsham, to Harry Turnor and Robert Turnor, my sister’s sons, to the son of Joan my sister if he be alive, to the sons of my sister Agnes, to Gylbard, John and Alis, the children of the foresaid Agnes my sister, to Richard [illegible], to Alis Elmhurst, to an honest priest to sing in the parish church of Egerton for a quarter of a year and in the church of Ulcombe for another quarter of a year.
Last will, mentions feoffees Richard Wanden, George Pemyll, Gylbard Barlyng and Richard Barlyng, lands and tenements in the parishes of Chilham and Selling, lands and tenements in Godmersham, son Thomas.
Probate 11 February 1492.
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Kent / Nynne family of Great Chart
« on: Monday 05 March 12 02:48 GMT (UK) »
I am researching the surname Nynne in the Great Chart area pre-1600, and also the early history of Ninne House Manor in Great Chart.
The surname appears in Rotherfield, Sussex about 1530 and given the rarity of the name I think there is a good chance of a connection.
If anyone has information or an interest in this surname (which becomes Ninn after about 1600 in Kent) please reply and I will share the information I have.
The surname appears in Rotherfield, Sussex about 1530 and given the rarity of the name I think there is a good chance of a connection.
If anyone has information or an interest in this surname (which becomes Ninn after about 1600 in Kent) please reply and I will share the information I have.
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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: Goldsmith
« on: Sunday 22 January 12 12:39 GMT (UK) »
James Herbert Goldsmith was baptised 11 Jul 1824 at Lewes Jireh, Sussex. It states his abode is Brighton and that his date of birth was 6 Apr 1824 (so I guess we assume that he was born in Brighton as he states on the 1851 census). The source for this was the SFHG online baptisms index. His parents were James and Abigail Goldsmith.
Do any of the tombstones look like they relate to this family?
Regards
Geoff
Do any of the tombstones look like they relate to this family?
Regards
Geoff
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