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Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: John Vinter
« on: Friday 24 July 20 12:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi Richard,

Thank you. Unfortunately it's not particularly obvious that the various Lambert wills in Wimborne at that time are related to the Hampreston people, but I will be going back to have another look some time.

Dorset Lookup Requests / Re: John Vinter
« on: Friday 24 July 20 02:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Lincsmaster, I am also interested in Caroline Vinter née Lambert, but I have a completely different theory as to who she is.

I agree with rjknott that the 1817 baptism of Caroline Lamport in Poole fits very well into the family of Thomas Lamport and Mary née Thompson, and I originally allocated this to John Vinter’s future wife. However, this Caroline appears in the 1841 census at Stanpit near Christchurch, as Housekeeper to her brother Edward the schoolmaster and their widowed father Thomas.

Then in 1846, according to the Sherborne Mercury (7th November 1846 issue), "Caroline, youngest daughter of Mr Thomas Lamport of Poole", married Mr Joseph Henry Taylor, of Winkton near Christchurch on 21st October. The wedding took place, for reasons I have not investigated, at North Yarmouth in Norfolk. From the marriage certificate, the witnesses were Caroline's father Thomas and her sister Fanny Spiller. Joseph and Caroline appear in the census at Winkton near Christchurch from 1841 to 1871, and Caroline is still there as a widow in 1881.

It appears, then, that John Vinter's wife was not the daughter of Thomas and Mary Lamport. So who was she? I haven't been able to find a christening for her, but the 1834 will of one John Tilsed ( mentions a George Lambert and his daughter Caroline without explaining who they are.

I explain my theory for Caroline's parentage in "A brief exploration of the 'Lives' included in the Narrative of John Tilsed 1747 - 1834" (see 'Life 8' at, but in summary, I currently believe her to be the daughter of George Lambert of Hampreston, with George being the illegitimate son of Jane Lambert of Hampreston, by John Tilsed, who was the widower of Jane's older sister Mary.

John Tilsed died in Wimborne on 30th July 1834 and his will was proved 30th April 1835. The delay was presumably due to John leaving a daughter and financial affairs in Newfoundland.

For more details of the very interesting life and times of this John Tilsed, see , published in the Journal of Newfoundland and Labrador Studies in 2018.

The Common Room / Re: Occupation - Collarmaker
« on: Monday 02 December 19 01:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you! I'm completely out of ideas where else to look...

The Common Room / Re: Occupation - Collarmaker
« on: Sunday 01 December 19 23:15 GMT (UK)  »
Ah, now lace is something I hadn't thought of at all, so that could be it. But I think I would expect the word lace to appear in the occupation, and besides, wasn't lacemaking generally women's work?

The Common Room / Re: Occupation - Collarmaker
« on: Sunday 01 December 19 22:34 GMT (UK)  »
Ah, maybe not then! I don't really know where to look - I've seen people mentioning that people calling themselves Collarmakers then turn up calling themselves Saddlers at other times, which makes it obvious, but I'm very short of wills in this family, and it's too early for father's occupations on christening records.

The Common Room / Occupation - Collarmaker
« on: Sunday 01 December 19 22:18 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know what a Collarmaker would have done in 1746?

I have always assumed it was leather work for horse collars etc, but in 1746 I have a "Thomas Tylsey the Younger, Clothier" in a court case, and the only candidate in the town at the time had served an apprenticeship with a Collarmaker.

So I'm wondering if making shirt collars was a thing at that time? My candidate's father was a Tailor, which would seem to fit quite well.

Dorset / Re: Poole, Dorset - Links between Tilsed and Boynes Families???
« on: Monday 18 February 19 22:45 GMT (UK)  »
Good suggestions, but unrelated witnesses - in this place, at this time - are much less common than related ones. Also I've done a lot of work on Poole families and I'm reasonably familiar with the names of the regular witnesses there.

But the main point is that the fishing / seafaring / piloting families in Poole had so many interconnections* that it seems far more likely to me that there is a connection somewhere and I just haven't found it yet.

*For example Mary Boynes died in 1829 and in 1830 the widowed John King married Martha née Jenkins, widow of James Tilsed - James being brother to the John, Mary and Aphra mentioned in my post. And in 1836 Martha's son by James Tilsed, also James Tilsed, married Sarah Stone, daughter of Susannah Boynes - who was sister to the Eliza and Mary mentioned in my post.

(To clarify - I don't believe these connections are relevant here, just examples of how tightly woven these families were.)

Dorset / Poole, Dorset - Links between Tilsed and Boynes Families???
« on: Monday 18 February 19 22:17 GMT (UK)  »
My 4g-grandfather John Tilsed b1785 had - amongst others - two sisters named Mary and Aphra/Afhra.

Mary Tilsed b1793 was a witness to the marriage of John King and Mary Boynes on 13th Sep 1810.
Aphra Tilsed b1799 was a witness to the marriage of Thomas Williams and Eliza Boynes on 28th Feb 1819.

Mary Boynes b1790 and Eliza Boynes b1799 were also sisters, their parents being Thomas Boynes and Sarah née Wills. At both marriages, the second witness was the girls' maternal uncle, Thomas Wills.

I currently have no idea whatsoever why the Tilsed girls would have been witnesses for the Boynes girls - in my experience witnesses are often siblings, or married to siblings, of the bridal couple, and I can't find any relationships at all between the families at this time. (There are a couple of marriages linking the families in 1830 and 1836).

Does anyone have any idea what's going on here?

The Common Room / Re: Mystery woman from Bermuda...or Birmingham, England?
« on: Monday 18 February 19 21:24 GMT (UK)  »

If you think Margaret Robina born 1846 might be your ancestor, I can give you some information on her mother's ancestry.

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