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London and Middlesex / Re: help finding birth date
« on: Today at 10:03 »
1851 census, based on the above:

HO107/1514 folio 352 page 16
25 Brook Street, St Andrew Holborn, London
Joseph Pring, head, widower, 62, Baker employing 4 men, born Awliscombe Devonshire
Susan Pring, niece, unmarried, 26, Houseservant[?], born Awliscombe Devonshire
Hanah Sanders, unmarried, 24, Shopwoman, born Awliscombe Devonshire
Joseph Stanly, unmarried, 20, Journeyman Baker, born St Brides London

If the candidate found in the Edmonton school in 1841 is he (my reply #14), he was probably apprenticed out to a baker by the West London Poor Law Union.

Heíd probably have been placed around 1844, but I think the apprenticeship records for this union start only in 1847.

If there is anything, it may be on Ancestry, in the unindexed series called London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1738-1926, under City of London - Apprenticeship Papers. You canít search by name - you have to browse, by turning the pages and reading them.

London and Middlesex / Re: help finding birth date
« on: Yesterday at 22:07 »
Possible 1841 census, based on the above:

HO107/652/9 folio 4 page 3
West London Union School, Edmonton, Middlesex
Joseph Stanley, 10, Pauper, Y (= born in Middlesex)
   and on the same page
Mary Stanley, 45, Pauper, Y

After 1834 St Bride's Fleet Street came under the West London Union. The West London poor-law guardians ran a separate school at Edmonton, where some mothers could be sent with their children.

London and Middlesex / Re: help finding birth date
« on: Yesterday at 18:02 »
Their census ages to save everyone from looking:
1871 J. 40  M.A. 41
1881 J. 49  M.A. 52
1891 J. 59  M.A. 60

And with the places of birth:
In 1871 Joseph is aged 40, born City Middlesex
In 1881 Joseph is aged 49, born City, Fleet Street
In 1891 Joseph is aged 59, born London, Fleet Street, City

No-one seems to have found Joseph with the father as given on his marriage certificate, so he may have invented a father, as was often done to disguise illegitimacy.

Because of his stated place of birth, you might want to consider this baptism for him:

St Bride, Fleet Street, City of London
3 June 1831
Joseph, son of Charles Chippindale (clerk) and Mary Stanley, Workhouse
born 11 May 1831

It's just a suggestion. Unfortunately, there are no records for the parish workhouse of St Bride's at this date.

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London and Middlesex / Re: help finding birth date
« on: Yesterday at 08:19 »
The other witness Thomas Pether was married to Martha Blackall, another sister, in 1852 at St James Piccadilly. They were living in Ponsonby Terrace in 1861, and Thomas was a Carpenter & Joiner.

So the marriage witnesses do not appear to help with identifying Joseph Stanley. Given the difficulty finding earlier records for him, it is possible that his father's details on the marriage record were 'invented', and that there was a change of name somewhere along the line.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Place name in 1612 Will
« on: Friday 19 July 24 22:35 BST (UK)  »
Could the place name be AlltMawr, a Parish about 5 miles North of Gwenddwr?

As I suggested yesterday. Maybe you missed my reply above?

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Place name in 1612 Will
« on: Thursday 18 July 24 22:32 BST (UK)  »
Allt Mawr

All the bondsmen are yeomen.

The Common Room / Re: What does this date represent?
« on: Wednesday 17 July 24 17:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the update, Richard.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: unsure of surname 1700s
« on: Tuesday 16 July 24 19:32 BST (UK)  »
Itís not a banns record. Itís the record of a marriage by (Ďperí) banns. I believe itís taken from the bishopís transcript here Ö
(left-hand column, 5 lines up)

There are many examples of A and H on this page. On a cursory look I haven't spotted a K. Others may wish to look further.

But frankly I would advise the OP to order a copy of the entry in the parish register from Herts Archives, as this may be clearer than the bishopís transcript. (The parish register is probably the source of Boyd's index entry.)

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