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Scotland / Re: illegitimacy
« on: Wednesday 07 November 07 17:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Betty
I also have some of these and have had mixed success with the Kirk Session records.  On one occasion from 1797 I had no luck but with one in 1825 I found a record of the father and mother being hauled up in front of the church and chastised for 'ante-nuptual fornication'.  They had married however it was apparent that the first child was conceived before the marriage, hence the reprimand.   It is worth a try but you will have to do this in person at the archives in Edinburgh as this is not on-line.

Good luck
Lesley
 
PS I am stuck on the 1797 one myself.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Colch ex Tullamore
« on: Wednesday 09 May 07 12:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi, according to Griffiths Valuations (c1854), there are two Thomas Colchs living in the village of Cloncon, parish of Geashill, Tullamore.  Both leased from a Thomas Jackson.  One leased a house, offices (which could be any buildings such as outhouse, shed etc) and land, and the other leased a house and land.  There is a John Cloch living next door to one of them.

Do you have any idea what his profession was?

Regards
Lesley

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Visiting Rhode parish - pointers
« on: Monday 07 May 07 10:08 BST (UK)  »
Chris I have managed to get him slightly interested in archeology (he was very keen on Newgrange, which is why we stayed in Meath) and Mozart but have no luck with family history.  I am going to quit while I'm ahead.  A possibility is dumping him in the pub in Dublin all  day while I am in the archives but we shall see....
Take care
Lesley

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Croghan
« on: Sunday 06 May 07 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Hazel
Hope you are well
Just to let you know I finally made it to Croghan and made it up the hill to the graveyard.  I see what you mean about the hike through the fields and cows etc!!!   We had horizontal sleet at the time in March so that was just superb as you can imagine, and I got caught on a barbed wire fence which cheered my boyfriend up immensely.  Although the stones were so weathered they were illegible, it was very poignant.  I did find a worked iron cross (you might have seen it) and, as my family were blacksmiths, that might have been theirs.  I also discovered, on my return (typical!!) where the smithy used to be in the village and where my ggggrandfather's house was, by finding a site where it shows the old map of the area and the houses marked according to name in Griffiths Valuations.  It turns out we sat at the crossroads where the smithy was for about 5 mins at one point trying to decide if we should go up the hill (in the wind and rain) and I didn't even realise we were sitting right where the forge used to be.  Spooky!!!  I only had a day in the area and was a bit rushed as my boyfriend isn't really interested in this so I must get back again on my own and chill out a bit more.

Hazel, I think you said that you thought there might be a record of where people are buried on the hill.  You said your friends knew where the grave you were looking for was but that there might be some list or something??  I have managed to identify the name of the parish priest, who is based in Rhode, and was going to write to him to ask if there are any burial records but wondered if your friends knew anything.  Any ideas?

Hope the rest of your research is going well. 
Take care
Lesley

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Visiting Rhode parish - pointers
« on: Sunday 06 May 07 22:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi Chris
Actually I didn't make it until March 2007 but, despite dreadful weather (horizontal sleet) I managed to get a day in the Croghan Hill area by Rhode and get a feel for the area.  I managed to get up the hill to visit the old graveyard where I suspect my ancestors are buried but the stones are so weathered they are illegible, unfortunately.  It was very poignant however.  I also identified the church where the marriages and baptisms must have taken place and, on my return, have found the name of the parish priest whom I intend to contact to see if there are any burial records for the old graveyard.  Although I didn't manage to do any actual research as I was a bit rushed, my partner not sharing my interest, I was very glad I had the chance to get to the actual village.  Typically, on my return, I managed to track down where the smithy my ancestor worked in used to be in the village - two weeks too late - however, I can picture in my mind the crossroads although there is nothing there now.  Strangely, we sat at that crossroads for at least 5 minutes at one point deciding the best way to go, totally unaware we were actually sitting right at my ggggrandfather's house.  Spooky!!

Next time I go over I will go on my own and spend more time, including some time at the archives.  Now all I have to do I find where my other Irish relatives were from, it only took me 10 years to find the Geoghegans!!!

All the best
Lesley

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Midlothian / Re: Murder in 1890
« on: Thursday 03 May 07 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Sharon
I found these on the NAS relating to Wm Hendry
Precognition against William Hendry for the crime of murder at 9 Burns Street, Leith
http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Site20&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=58&dsqSearch=((text)='hendry')

Trial papers relating to William Hendry for the crime of murder at 9 Burns Street, Leith. Tried at High Court, Edinburgh
http://www.dswebhosting.info/NAS/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Site20&dsqCmd=show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqPos=78&dsqSearch=((text)='william%20hendry')
William Hendry, widower, Verdict: Guilty, Verdict Comments: Guilty plea - culpable homicide, Sentence: Penal servitude - 7 years

Hope this helps.  Doesn't seem long for murder does it?  Maybe the fact he pled guilty helped.

Good luck
Lesley

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Ireland / Re: Help with surname variations please
« on: Tuesday 01 May 07 21:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
don't know if it's relevant but I have found a Bridget McKelvin in Griffiths in Donegal in Inishmacsaint civil parish which is on the border with Co Fermanagh.  Just thought I'd mention it in case the census was carried out when the father had died and the head of household would be Bridget.  I hope this isn't a red herring but sometimes you have to eliminate all other possibilities to find the right answer.  Good luck
Lesley

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Armed Forces / Aberdeenshire Militia
« on: Tuesday 17 April 07 20:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
does anyone know if there is an oath or attestation book for the Aberdeenshire militia, c1800.  I have a guy who, on his OPR marriage entry 1799 and the OPR baptism of his daughter, also 1799, claims he was a soldier in the Aberdeenshire militia.  Both entries were in Angus however I suspect he was from Crathie in Aberdeenshire c1777 and an Ag Lab in Angus c1797.

I have tried the national archives online service records and tried every permutation of Charles Symon, Charles, Aberdeenshire, militia, fencibles etc, including his mother's maiden name and various peculiar spellings of Symon.  I think this guy was the father of an illegitimate Charles born 1797, who is definitely one of mine, however Charles senior didn't marry the mother.  If it is him, I have found his grave and can trace his birth 1777 and father's birth in Crathie, however I just need to try and make the link between the two Charles.  It's very frustrating.

If anyone can suggest how I can find details on his enlistment, or any other way of making this link, I would be very grateful as I have been trying to find the link for over 2 years.

Many thanks
Lesley

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: 1851 Census Lookup
« on: Friday 06 April 07 19:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi again Annie.

The way I found children and other siblings of my gggrandfather was by looking at the deaths of the surname in the Dundee area as it shows parents and wife or husband, along with occupations.  Ok, I did spend a bit of money on credits at Scotland's People website but it was well worth it as I found 3 sisters and a brother and it was through one sister in the 1871 census that I found which county in Ireland they were from, and from there, and the name of their father and mother, I managed to track the actual village in Ireland, through Griffiths Valuations, and a month ago I even managed to get over there to see where the family were from, so - it's definitely worth looking for other relatives and trying to find them on all the censuses.  Although it usually just says 'Ireland' sometimes you get a lucky break, as I did.  To stand in the graveyard on the hill in Ireland where my ggggrandfather was buried was very poignant.

Happy hunting.
Lesley

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