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Travelling People / Re: DRAPERs of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Tuesday 21 May 19 10:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello Sharon

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. I had to put family history research "on hold" for a few weeks.

I have recently started going back through the online newspaper archive to see if anything new has been added for the family of Samuel and Margaret/Peggy, but all I can see is what I had before, just a couple of Petty Session appearances, both mentioned in the Hereford Mercury, for their daughter Hannah Draper (b.1795). In the newspaper of 1847 17th April Hannah was fined, for breaking a hedge, at Hitchin Sessions, and in the paper of 1862 30th August, at Stevenage Sessions, she was fined for stealing peas. Again in the Hertford Mercury newspaper, 1837 23 December, a Joseph Draper appeared at Hitchin Sessions. This may, or may not, have been Joseph (b.1798), the brother of Hannah. He was fined £5, which he paid, for coursing a hare with another man and two dogs.

I have also been trying to work out who the Ann Draper was that lived with the Joseph mentioned above, and his wife. In the 1841 census this Ann was recorded as 5 years old, and aged 15 in the 1851 census, and the daughter of Joseph, but in the next two census returns she was recorded as his niece. The 1851 and 1861 census returns gives her birthplace as Harpenden, Hertfordshire.

The pictures of Samuel Draper are very interesting. It is always nice to put a face to a name, and I have now found the 1851 census for him and his family that I hadn't come across before, so thank you for pointing that out.

 :)

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Travelling People / Re: DRAPER's of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Sunday 14 April 19 22:52 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Sharon and Panished.  :)

Lots to go through. Unable to this evening, but I will do a.s.a.p. and get back to you in a day or so. All very much appreciated.  :)

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Travelling People / Re: DRAPER's of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Friday 12 April 19 16:58 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much Sharon.  :)

I had wondered why no records for James Draper were turning up in Britain. It now appears he wasn't even in the country, and with Favouridge and Ambrose sadly dying young they, too, had gone before the early census returns. That also means that neither James or Ambrose could have been the father of Hannah Draper's niece and nephew, that were living with her in the 1851 census.

I have noticed that the younger Samuel and Margaret Draper had the birth of an unnamed daughter registered in 1846. She would have been the right age for Hannah's niece. Interestingly that same Samuel and Margaret had with them, in the 1861 census, a daughter named Hannah, besides a son Edward, and a younger daughter, Famebridge.

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Travelling People / Re: DRAPER's of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Thursday 11 April 19 00:23 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Sharon for sharing your research, and yes it is helpful and also very interesting.  :)

I had a feeling Elias of Hitchin, the musician, belonged somewhere in the Draper family, but I couldn't work out where he fitted in from the online records. The Drapers look to have been a rather talented family, and now, most likely, with the addition of Edward, the father of Elias/Goliah, there is one more musician.

The baptism of Edward son of Esau and Margaret in Haverhill seems interesting. Perhaps Esau is actually a badly written Sam, or, like some of the others in the family, it could have been an alternative name he used now and again. While looking through the old newspapers I was surprised to find that Leviathan's father, as you most likely know, turned up at various times as Joseph Clarke, Joseph Draper, Jeremiah Shaw and Josiah Smith. Very helpfully, though, the Chelmsford Chronicle reported that last three names all belonged to the same man. 

Thank you again. Looking forward to part two.

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Travelling People / Re: DRAPERs of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Wednesday 10 April 19 08:45 BST (UK)  »
Thank you very much Sharon for your reply. Looking forward to the next one.  :)

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Travelling People / DRAPER's of Hertfordshire and beyond, musicians.
« on: Wednesday 27 March 19 15:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I am not a relative, but I have been trying to help a descendant of Leviathan Draper. Leviathan was the Leviathan that lived with Ambrose Thorpe as his wife.

If we have it right we have Joseph Draper as her father, another Joseph Draper, a musician, as her grandfather, and Samuel Draper as her great grandfather, but have a few questions relating to the last two generations.

From Familysearch Samuel Draper, with Margaret/Peggy, appears to have been the father of Favoridge 1788, Hannah 1795, Susanna 1795, Joseph 1798, Kaisa 1800, James 1806, and Ambrose 1808.

Both Joseph Draper, and also Hannah Draper, above, have turned up in some census returns, and some newspapers, but nothing has been found so far relating to any of their siblings. If anyone knows anything at all about those siblings we would be very interested.

In the 1861 Hertfordshire census is a younger Samuel Draper, also with a Margaret, plus three children. He turns up in the newspapers, too. This Samuel died in 1870 while camping on Bernard's Heath, St. Albans. A newspaper gave his age as 82, but when his death was registered it was put down to 80. Samuel was a fiddle player. Could he, by any chance, have been another son of the older Samuel?

In the 1851 census, on FamilySearch, unmarried Hannah Draper has a niece Kelly Draper, aged 4, and a nephew Elias Draper, aged 9, staying with her. Does anyone know who their parents were?

In the several census returns for Hitchin there was another Elias Draper. This one was born about 1812 or 13, and was a musician. He died in 1890, aged 78. Could he have been a relative of the older Samuel?

And one last question. Has anyone come across the baptism of the older Samuel Draper?

Lots of questions! Thank you for reading them. Hoping someone can help us out with some of them.

 :)

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Norfolk / John DYE
« on: Sunday 03 February 19 21:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

I have been researching John Dye who was baptised at Pentney in 1774, moved to Shingham, and later went back to Pentney. He is in the 1841 and 51 census for Pentney, and was buried there in 1852. His first wife was Amy, and his second wife was Ann, and he had 10 surviving children. Everything seemed straightforward until I started searching through the old newspapers, then things got rather interesting, perhaps not for John Dye though!

According to the Norwich Mercury he appeared at the Court Sessions in July 1834 charged with stealing a lamb, and was sentenced to transportation for life. John Dye gets a mention on the National Archives website as his wife Ann got up a petition, and due to that his sentence appears reduced from transportation for life to 14 years transportation in the November 1834. While all this was happening John Dye was being held on the York prison ship, in Portsmouth Harbour.

He didn't serve all the 14 years as he was back in Pentney before the 1841 census, but what I would very much like to find out, if possible please, is whether he was taken to Australia, and later managed to return, or was he set free, for some reason, from the prison ship?

Thank you for reading this.  :)

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Baptism lookup please - Susan AKERS
« on: Wednesday 04 July 18 09:48 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Nannyj for looking for a marriage.  :) 
A quick second marriage was often what seemed to happen when there were young children to be looked after. Perhaps a female relative moved in, or there was already one living in the household.

I have been looking for a possible baptism of William on Freereg, around 1770, but, so far, I haven't found one.

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Baptism lookup please - Susan AKERS
« on: Monday 02 July 18 14:07 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Nannyj.  :)

I hadn't realised Susan's mother had died so young. She was Elizabeth Smith, before her marriage, and a baptism of an Elizabeth in Kirby records in 1789 to a Robert and Sarah Smith ties in nicely.

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