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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Monday 04 May 20 15:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hdw on Sunday 03 May 20 23:42 BST (UK)
According to the Wikipedia article, a Munro actually owned the village at one time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoch

If Spaniards had founded it they wouldn't have given it a Gaelic name. The Armada was in 1588 but Avoch obviously existed in some form long before that.


That shows that a Munro held the nearby Ormond Castle that later became known as Avoch Castle, but does not say anything about the village of Avoch itself at the time.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Spanish Wrecks on Aberdeenshire Coast
« on: Sunday 03 May 20 21:28 BST (UK)  »
I know there is a separate discussion for this, but does anyone in this one know anything about the tradition that the village of Avoch on the Black Isle was founded by the survivors of a wreck from the Spanish Armada ? I am looking for historic references to this tradition but can only find modern books that mention it.

I believe that I have traced my direct male ancestry back to an Alexr Munro born in the parish of Avoch in 1739. Further to this, having taken part in Y-DNA testing with FTDNA, of my 7 closest DNA matches in the direct male line, (who are all at the 23/25 marker level for anyone who knows about that), one of these matches has the Spanish surname of Bustamante. Three others have the French surname Runyon, two the Scottish surname Munro and one the Scottish/Irish surname McBride. They should all be people related within the last 700 years at least.

The rest of my 1000+ Y-DNA matches are all at the 12 marker level and so can pretty much be disregarded as useful for genealogy purposes, as not being related within the last 1000 years or even related at all.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« on: Sunday 03 May 20 15:43 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Mike in Cumbria on Sunday 03 May 20 15:28 BST (UK)
Quote from: Munro84 on Sunday 03 May 20 15:04 BST (UK)


I believe that my direct male line ancestors by the surname of Munro came from the parish of Avoch in the early 18th century, and I have taken part in Y-chromosome DNA testing and of my 7 closest DNA matches two have my surname of Munro, three have the French surname of Runyon (or variations) and one has the surname Bustamante which is totally Spanish. So the story about the  Spanish Armada having a ship wrecked at Avoch could be true!

If they are "close DNA matches", it's much more likely that your joint ancestor lived  later in history than 432 years ago.

How close is the match to Bustamente?

All seven of these Y-DNA matches are only 23/25 marker matches. They are the closest Y-DNA matches I have. I have about another 1000+ matches that are at the 12 marker level, but as you probably know they are not much use. So the 7x 23/25 marker matches including the Bustamante man is the closest I have. I think the 25 marker level is the minimum you need really for them to be possibly related. Comments appreciated.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« on: Sunday 03 May 20 15:04 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Joyful on Saturday 11 August 12 11:22 BST (UK)
It is definitely possible that the lady had spanish blood. My ancestors from the

Avoch in the Black Isle were very dark and olive skinned. My GG/Grandmother was born

in 1856 and she had olive skin and black hair. Family lore always had it that there was

spanish blood on that side of the family.

Joy

I believe that my direct male line ancestors by the surname of Munro came from the parish of Avoch in the early 18th century, and I have taken part in Y-chromosome DNA testing and of my 7 closest DNA matches two have my surname of Munro, three have the French surname of Runyon (or variations) and one has the surname Bustamante which is totally Spanish. So the story about the  Spanish Armada having a ship wrecked at Avoch could be true!

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The Lighter Side / Re: Oldest person found in a census?
« on: Friday 23 August 19 19:36 BST (UK)  »
There is a Duncan Munro aged 105 on the 1841 census in Argyll, Scotland. Although I have him at 103 going by his parish baptism record of 1738.

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Argyllshire / Re: 1792 survey - Duke of Argyle's Estate.
« on: Wednesday 21 August 19 20:20 BST (UK)  »
Am I right in thinking that this 1792 census only included Campbeltown and Kintyre ?

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Photo believed to have been taken in Fife mid-late 19th century
« on: Thursday 18 July 19 14:22 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BushInn1746 on Thursday 18 July 19 08:38 BST (UK)
Hello

Have a look at the initial post photo again, has the Munro poster come to any conclusion as to why the arrow on the bottom boarder is pointing upward, apparently to a seated man in the first row.

Was the arrow already there when you found the photo?

Mark

Hi, my auntie drew it on there and wrote on the back who we thought it might be. But we now know it is not the person we thought it was. We thought it might be a man called Bob Dickson who is stood in the second family photo with the moustache. But it is clearly not him. Bob was married to a daughter of the old man. Just wondering if in the first photo any of the women are the old man's sisters. He had four sisters, one older and three younger. Who knows ! :-)😁

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Photo believed to have been taken in Fife mid-late 19th century
« on: Wednesday 17 July 19 20:16 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gadget on Wednesday 17 July 19 20:09 BST (UK)
I thought it might have been a wedding anniversary - 25th or 30th, maybe.

(This is a comment about the second photos)
Could possibly be. All the family members who would have known have died. I was just wondering if any of you could make a judgement on the old man's height. In the first photo posted he stands taller than all of the woman and the other man standing on the back row I think could have been an exceptionally tall person for his time especially as he his holding his fist up which makes me think he could be a boxer. People were on average shorter in those days. His son, my great-grandad John Mckay Munro, I know was only 5 ft 8 and a half inches as per his military record. I am not sure what the average height for a man was back then ?

Update: according to this the average height of British men in 1870 was just 5 feet 5 inches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23896855

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Photo believed to have been taken in Fife mid-late 19th century
« on: Wednesday 17 July 19 17:25 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gadget on Wednesday 17 July 19 17:20 BST (UK)
I think it's the difference between outside light and studio light.  Actually, I think he looks older in the later ones. Also, he has a longer beard in the later ones and looks more 'spruced up'  :)

When did they marry?

They married in 1885 and his wife's name was Agnes Kerr.

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