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Wicklow / Re: Jones and Sharp of Baltinglass/Hackettstown
« on: Thursday 22 September 22 18:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi CDN

I will email you those pictures.
Jane Jones nee Brown B1793, as I do not have any record of her parents I will have to do some research to locate her, correctly, on our Tree.
The only other sibling to your Jane Jones B1780/81 and my John Jones B1781 is Shephard Jones B1779 and married in 1805 so is unlikely to be the father of Jane B1793.
The years between John Jones and Jane Barker marriage to the birth of their first child has always been a puzzle. Possibly child mortality is the most likely consideration.
Eagle hill and Woodside are townlands next to each other and just south of a town called Hacketstown, Co. Carlow and still exist as does the family home at Woodside, though we are reasonably sure the original house was destroyed in the 1798 rebellion in Ireland. I think there is some documentation regarding this, including compensation claims. I will send you some links to the townlands.

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Wicklow / Re: Jones and Sharp of Baltinglass/Hackettstown
« on: Saturday 17 September 22 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi cdn
Sorry for taking so long to answer. I haven't looked into our tree in so long I wanted to refresh my memory before assigning what we know to a reply. I have added my answers into your post in brackets.
Charlie J,
What a delightful surprise to hear from you! I am eager to collaborate and will consider collaboration valuable even if it disproves what I thought I knew. My understanding of Irish records, place names, etc. is far from expert, so please don't be over-polite about disagreeing/correcting. That said, here is more about Jane and evidence by which I'm connecting my ancestor to yours.

(We also have a Jane Jones B1793 who married a George Browne 1811 and died 1874 who I have as a possible daughter to John Jones B1731. She had many links to Shepherd Jones B1814 son of John Jones B1781. Unfortunately a few years ago I lost most of my research, so not sure if I had concrete evidence how she is related. Fortunately most records were recovered plus many new records found. I think we can take it your Jane is the correct daughter of John Jones B1731 and I will have to try to resolve how my Jane is related and that's OK, it's all part of the journey.)

In addition to the son named John Shepherd (as spelled on his grave marker), she had another named William J. with strong indication the "J." stood for Jones. Indexed marriage records list Jane Jones and Thomas Condell, married in 1801. A newspaper marriage announcement from May 1801 says Miss Jones, the daughter of John Jones, Esq. of Hacketstown, married Thomas Condell from Carnew. I'm interpreting Hacketstown and Carnew as parish names here. A tithe applotment record for Eagle Hill, Hacketstown, Carlow dated November 1823 shows Jane Condell occupying land right next to that occupied by John Jones and Shepard Jones. July 1824, Jane and 10 of her children emigrated to the USA, where her branch has remained, as far as I'm aware. I haven't found records for Thomas or one additional daughter, but they did end up here, too, and it seems reasonable to believe that Thomas was already gone in November 1823. Deed memorial 490515, Book 717, page 379, having to do with Aunt Rachel Barker Marks bequeathing land to John Jones the younger, lists Thomas Condell as a witness.

(The name Shepherd(and all it's spelling variations) would most likely come from the previous owner of Woodside. A man called Anthony Shepherd. Aunt Rachel Barker Marks is believed to be a sister to Janes Jones nee Barker. There is another sister too but her name escapes me. Also I do believe Rachel and Thomas do appear in some documents as witness to a number of dealings.)
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

Have you figured out exactly how the older Shepard (the one on the 1823 tithe applotment) fits in? He seems like a brother to Jane and the younger John, but I have found nothing to confirm that.

(This Shephard Jones B1779 is a brother of John Jones B1781. His grave is shown in a photo earlier in this thread.)

There is another witness to the deed mentioned above whose name I can't make out. Possibly another brother-in-law? Do you know anything about that?

An 1838 newspaper death announcement says, "February 21, at her son's residence, Newtown, Baltinglass, in the 99th year of her age, Mrs. John Jones, relict of the late John Jones, Esq., of Woodside, Hacketstown." Do you have anything to corroborate or contradict that being our grandmother?
(This is Jane Jones nee Barker (Father Joseph Barker D1788) married to John Jones B1731. This makes her DOB circa 1740. Her Son was John Jones B1781 of Newtown Saunders and this is where I grew up. Also a photo of the grave can be seen earlier in this thread)
I have not, so far, found a concrete link to the Holdenstown/Rathvilly Jones before the mid to late 1800s but suspect there is one. It just needs the right document to be found. I hope this useful in some way. For me further research needs to be done in records offices which do not have material online. I just haven't had the time to do so.
Are you living in the US?

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Wexford / Re: Christopher Vero Ballybrennan Bree inquiry
« on: Saturday 03 September 22 10:01 BST (UK)  »
Hi Alex
There is reference to the Veros in a book "100 Wexford country houses"
I don't have any more info than this.

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Wicklow / Re: Jones and Sharp of Baltinglass/Hackettstown
« on: Saturday 03 September 22 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi CDN

I haven't been on in a while. I hope you see this.
Your Jane is curious to me as it doesn't fit with what we know but I look forward to resolving your Jane in our version of our tree.
Hope to hear from you.
regards

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Other Countries / Narizano search in Uruguay
« on: Thursday 28 May 20 12:30 BST (UK)  »
I have 2 photographs of 2 women with a photographers name, address and date on the back.
"Fleurquiny Gia, Montivideo, Uruguay, 1878-1880+" Also on the back of the younger girls photo is written Mrs Narizano.
It is suspected they are mother and daughter who looks to be in her 20s. From the little research I have been able to do the daughters name may be Regina, her maiden name may be Cooke and her husbands name may be Carlos. I can not confirm any of this though.
It's a long shot but help greatly appreciated.

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Ireland / Re: Never lose hope in your search!
« on: Monday 13 April 20 13:33 BST (UK)  »
Had a similar experience myself a few years ago. I have a habit of doing google searches misspelling ancestors names and addresses and found a series of 26 letters relating to an incident one of my ancestors was involved in in 1851. My ancestor was a land agent and someone tried to assassinate him. The letters explain the circumstances leading up to and shortly after the attempt and include 2 letters from my ancestor. The records were in Hull Archives. I also ended up finding a transcript of the court case for the accused.

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Ireland / Re: Roaadside memorial stones
« on: Monday 13 April 20 11:01 BST (UK)  »
I can not be certain it's a memorial stone but to add to my interest is that on the ground there were bunches of Daffodils and Snowdrops growing. This was a long straight stretch of road with no other flowers growing. Daffodils and Snowdrops have been prominent in all the homes of my direct ancestors. I accept it's not conclusive by any means.
The little bit of research i have done memorial stones at this time were usually for someone who died fighting for Irish freedom or some other noteworthy cause. I'm curious how often they were erected for someone who died through accident.

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Ireland / Roaadside memorial stones
« on: Sunday 12 April 20 23:02 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to learn a bit about roadside memorial marker stones. In the process of finding out about my Gx3 grandfather I learned through a newspaper article that he was thrown from his horse and cart and died while on his way home from his birth town. This was in 1858. It was while trying to find the location of the house he lived in someone on here PMed me a message of a story he had been told of a very similar incident and that there was a memorial stone on the side of the road. There is so much anecdotal evidence that the stone is for my ancestor but I accept it will not be possible to prove 100%. I only just got to visit the location recently and there is only a cross on the stone. What is the history of roadside memorial stones.

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Wicklow / Re: mary dunckley 1812 wicklow
« on: Sunday 05 January 20 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1851/Pages/results.aspx?k=cnsSurname%3a%22Dunkley%22+AND+cnsGivenName%3a%22Gorge%22+AND+cnsAge%3a%2214%22+AND+cnsProvinceCode%3a%22CW%22
Here is a link to a George Dunkley age 14 living in Canada during the 1851 Census. Place of birth is Ireland. The reason I am Mentioning it is 2 fold, there is a George Dunkley (Possibly father) in the Griffith Valuation for Baltinglass, Wicklow which has been mentioned in an earlier post but also the family's listed before George in the Canadian 1851 census are from Baltinglass area. George married, had children and stayed in this area for some time as he appears in a number of Census records for the area. The name always stood out and it helped when I was searching for other records in the area.
Here is a settlement map for Canada about this time.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=8cc6be34f6b54992b27da17467492d2f
If you zoom in on Huron County and look for a town north of Goderich called Port Albert. George is farming a plot just East of this town.

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