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Australia / James William Burt died Liverpool Asylum NSW 1901
« on: Thursday 24 November 22 06:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all, my Nan has a cluster of DNA matches on Ancestry connected with part of her tree that comes from the Kiama region on the NSW south coast. The only connection I can see between any of the trees in this cluster and Kiama is through a husband and wife who married there in 1860 and had a child there in 1861. I have been able to trace the wife’s origin but not the husband’s.

The wife was Louisa Green born on 29 March 1826 at Longborough, Gloucestershire, England. Her parents were Edward Green and Ann Marnes. The husband was James William Burt. He seems to have been born in London but I can’t place him in a family there or work out how he got to NSW.

James William Burt and Louisa married on 4 September 1860 at the Kiama district registrar’s office according to Act of Council 19 Vic Nos 30 & 34. Both residences were recorded as Fountaindale, Kiama. They were recorded as bachelor and spinster. Both signed. The witnesses were John Smith & Lackett. The registrar was W D Meares. No other details are found on the certificate.

They had four children (see attached birth records for the first three):
•   Louisa Burt born 23 June 1861 at Terry’s Meadows, Kiama;
•   James William Burt born 3 August 1862 at Chambers Street, Glebe;
•   Edward Burt born 19 January 1864 at Cooloongolook River, Cape Hawke; and
•   Sarah Jane Burt registered 1865 in the Port Stephens district.

The wife Louisa Burt née Green died in 1865 in the Port Stephens district aged about 39. In 1868 at least three of the children were placed in the Randwick children’s asylum (see attached register). At this time a warrant was issued for the husband James’ arrest. The NSW police gazette of 23 December 1868 states that, “A warrant has been issued by the Sydney Bench for the arrest of James Burt, charged with deserting his infant child, Louisa, leaving it without the means of support. Burt is about 45 years of age, dark complexion, dark hair; dressed in blue serge jumper; a shingle-splitter. Supposed to have gone to Raymond Terrace. [Warrant has since been cancelled.]”

The husband James William Burt died on 18 May 1901 at the Liverpool asylum with his age recorded as 82 (death certificate transcript attached).

In the last years of James’ life, he was an inmate of Liverpool asylum a number of times. His religion was recorded as unbeliever, sceptic and atheist (register attached). It states that he arrived in NSW on the Lady Kennaway in 1840. Another asylum record gives his arrival ship as the Tamar in 1856 (without other detail). I cannot find any record of a James Burt on any voyages of those ships. I cannot find any record of a James Burt/Caroline Petworth marriage in England (his death certificate records this London marriage aged 25 with 6 deceased male issue and 1 deceased female issue). I cannot identify James in England at all. I would love to be able to, so I can then trace his ancestry for a couple of generations and see if my Nan has DNA matches.

Any assistance identifying James’s arrival in NSW or his family back in England would be very much appreciated as I am struggling here.

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: Offer: Bowraville and Argent's Hill cemeteries
« on: Saturday 15 October 22 02:09 BST (UK)  »
I now have photos of each grave in the Argents Hill cemetery - very happy to send shots of particular graves to anyone interested :)

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Warwickshire / Birmingham Catholic (?) Marriage Record 1865
« on: Friday 01 July 22 02:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, my mother shares a 61.5 cM DNA match with a paper-trail descendant of James Kelly who married Catherine Jordan in the 1st quarter of 1865 in the Birmingham registration district, volume 6d, page 236.

I would very much like to view an image of this record to see the groom's father's name and occupation. I would be happy to order it from the GRO but just thought I'd quickly check if there any online sources I haven't checked. I have subscriptions to Ancestry and Findmypast but can't locate it there. Similarly IGI and FreeReg.

I believe my mother is likely related to the DNA match through James Kelly. I have located him in the 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911 and 1921 English censuses. The 1921 census records his birthplace as Strokestown, Ireland. Earlier censuses give County Roscommon, Ireland. My mother's connections with the Strokestown area, including her Kelly connections, were all Catholic. The 1865 marriage I am looking for may therefore have been a Catholic marriage.

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Thank you Bookbox, that is really appreciated!

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Hi all, I'm looking at the will of John Palmer of Charlton, Wantage, Berkshire, dated 1564 which I think was given probate in 1574. The will itself is in English and I can (slowly) decipher it, but the section at the end is in Latin I think. I've attached this section and wondered whether anyone might be able to tell me what it says.

If it helps, John Palmer married Jone and had at least the following children in Wantage parish:
1. Johone 1546
2. John 1548
3. Sybill 1551-1561
4. Bridget 1553
5&6. Margery & Jone 1556

Many thanks if anyone can assist.

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Kent / Re: Parents of Isaac Belsey Reynolds baptised 1795
« on: Wednesday 14 April 21 09:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi djscott, thanks so much for your message. Yes I would indeed be interested to hear details about Samuel Bawtree Reynolds - I think we worked out where his middle name came from but I don't know much about his later life. The people who've replied here have done some great research about the origins of the family and particular branches etc. Some of it is recorded in my main Ancestry tree if you'd like to take a look. I'll send you a personal message with my email address :)

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: Offer: Bowraville and Argent's Hill cemeteries
« on: Monday 18 January 21 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
Here's a wider shot of the cemetery.

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: Offer: Bowraville and Argent's Hill cemeteries
« on: Monday 18 January 21 05:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bruce, I went out today and got some shots of the cemetery at Argent's Hill - the graves you were looking for were there. If you send me your email address via personal message (don't post it here) I can send you some high resolution images. Attached are two small photos of the two headstones - Sarah's is broken.

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Australia Resources & Offers / Re: Offer: Bowraville and Argent's Hill cemeteries
« on: Wednesday 13 January 21 08:08 GMT (UK)  »
Just a thought too, you could try emailing Nambucca Valley Council and asking if they have any information on your two names in that cemetery. I believe they have maps of plots and maybe they have other information. Their contact email address is on their website (scroll to the bottom): https://nambucca.nsw.gov.au/cp_themes/default/home.asp

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