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The Common Room / Re: Can an 'aunt' be a great-aunt in the 18th century?
« on: Monday 12 February 24 17:16 GMT (UK)  »
A good suggestion re the use of sister for sister-in-law (which I have seen before) but, unfortunately, that particular Elizabeth died in 1701 and John Abrams remarried in 1702.

Richard

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The Common Room / Re: Can an 'aunt' be a great-aunt in the 18th century?
« on: Monday 12 February 24 14:51 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the suggestions.
There are also other possibilities for Elizabeth/ASBRAHAMS is her surname isn't limited to Holbred or Kennedy, so I think I'll have to take everything back a generation. Pity the James Nott/Sarah marriage isn't there.

Richard

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The Common Room / Can an 'aunt' be a great-aunt in the 18th century?
« on: Monday 12 February 24 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Sarah Nott's will of 1757 mentions her sister, Elizabeth ABRAHAMS; her two daughters (Sarah, b1701 who married Chester Moor Hall in 1750; and Margaret, bc1705, who married Hugh Nightingale in 1721 (!)); and her nephew John Kennedy, to whom she left money to finish his apprenticeship.

John's apprenticeship papers (1745) say that he is being sponsored by his aunt, Mrs Sarah Nott, which fits well.

I cannot find Sarah's marriage to James Nott (c1677-1721) in about 1700 but, if she was an aunt, her maiden name would be Kennedy or Holbred as John Kennedy was born in 1732 to Charles (b1705) and Ann (nee Holbred) Kennedy.

All these baptisms and marriages took place in the SE corner of Essex (Foulness area).

My problem is that Sarah is at least 25 years older than her sibling (Charles or Ann); and I can't find her marriage to James Nott or her sister's marriage to a Mr Abrahams to conform a surname. Might she be one generation further removed from John Kennedy?

Richard




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Armed Forces / Re: Families during the Indian Mutiny
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 21:48 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. I know all about Edward's birth and the family before 1860; I just wanted to find out about Edward's death; but perhaps I will buy a certificate as you suggest= if such a think exists. I thought that the entry I had read was the only information available.

R

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Armed Forces / Re: Families during the Indian Mutiny
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
The one who died in Norfolk in December quarter 1857, must be the one  born in Norfolk with birth registered in September quarter 1857, motherís maiden name Bird.

Indeed it was; but the death in Norfolk shows he can't be the one on the ship in 1860.

I assume it was the same Cossipore, but it was several years after this trip. In fact Lancelot Minns had survived the sinking of another ship a few years earlier, just after he had married.

R

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Armed Forces / Families during the Indian Mutiny
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 15:18 GMT (UK)  »
Did families of non-officers travel to India during the Indian Mutiny?

Launcelot Minns spent over twenty years in the Royal Artillery as a gunner, winning three medals but being court martialled for drinking four times. He served in India from 4 Aug 1857 - 19 Jul 1862.

He had a son, Edward, born in December 1857 while he was in India (but conceived just after he came out of prison!). Edward does not appear in any records apart from a possible death at sea in Jan 1860 aged two (or one on another record). He was on board the Cossipore and was one of eighty deaths on the way to Bombay. The only other Edward Minns of the right age appears to have died in Norfolk in 1857.

I assume this is not my Edward but it would be good to have that confirmed. Apart from anything else, his mother (Elizabeth) was back in England by 1861 with their daughter, living with another man.

Richard

Richard

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The Common Room / Re: Elizabeth MINNS in Devon and Essex
« on: Saturday 06 January 24 11:25 GMT (UK)  »
I think she ran a boarding house with her father, but Lancelot wasn't there in 1881.

I did look at Elizabeth's mother (father died young), stepfather and siblings; but not very well. I might revisit them.

R

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The Common Room / Re: Elizabeth MINNS in Devon and Essex
« on: Friday 05 January 24 14:45 GMT (UK)  »
I agree (as mentioned in an earlier post) but they (Eliz/Emily/Edw) must have died/married/emigrated under some surname.

I did find an Emily Minns of the right age who emigrated to the USA in 1890 and married there but she came from Cambridge.

Richard

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The Common Room / Re: Elizabeth MINNS in Devon and Essex
« on: Friday 05 January 24 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
He was on the Cossipore, on its way to Bombay. I think it was a merchant ship. there are two documents, on one he is 2 and the other only 1 (he died of measles/diarrhoea). I rejected him because I didn't think the families of non-officers went out to India. Launcelot was in India from Aug 1857 to Jul 1862, so wasn't home when Edward was born/baptised. (I think he had fourteen drink offences, so wasn't very reliable!)

Genealogically this is of little importance, but I became a little obsessed with what happened to the family and who Elizabeth married!

Richard

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