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Hello Reggie

It was a long time ago that I was enquiring about Edmonton Workhouse. I didn't manage to visit L.M.A. at the time and still haven't.
Soon after my request I was diagnosed with the Big C, then my mum died 2011 and the Big C returned in 2012. so, I haven't had any success with LMA, although I would still like to know if my family are mentioned in the records.
I hope you enjoy your visit to England next year and that you are successful in your research.

Best wishes
Carol

Hi Carol

Thanks for getting back to me.  I am deeply sorry for your health and the loss of your mother. I had a sister with the big C .

While I am in London I do hope to visit the LMA. My wife is not interested in Genealogy so I will only invest a short period at the LMA. Hopefully enough to do a little research.

Reg

Hi Reg

Transcribed as Higginbottom in 1871, both boys living at the Children's Establishment of the Edmonton Union, Chase Side, Enfield.

? possible death for Elizabeth...

HIGGINBOTHAM, Elizabeth
Reg district : Poplar
1866 3rd Q
Age at death:27
Volume no: 1C Page no: 831

Sarah

Thanks Sarah.

Yes, the two boys seem to be institutionalised possibly after Elizabeth died. For whatever reason is a mystery.  Their father went to Australia where he had several wives and a large family of which I descend from. One of the boys, Joseph also went to Australia. I have no idea what happened to the other boy.

I have the death info for Elizabeth and have it parked as a very credible piece of information. However, I have NO evidence it is actually hers except for the time and place.

I thank you for helping.

Reg

Quote from: Reggie on Thursday 15 November 12 04:28 GMT (UK)

All I know is he died on 20th March 1837 in Sydney and was buried in the old Sandhills Cemetery. Just the bare details, name and death date is all I have for him and that was from the Gravestone Inscriptions NSW Volume 1 Sydney Burial Ground: Elizabeth & Devonshire Streets - "The Sandhills".

His marriage certification is very bare, only his name and wife's name.

That is why I am 'stumped'.

Agh  so you have documentation for the marriage and the burial and those two events occurred BEFORE the commencement of civil registration in NSW, and thus from the era BEFORE the civil authorities required fuller details.   Burial records from pre 1856 are so scant with the details.     May I ask how you know your chap changed his name to JOHNSON ?  Have you considered that it may be a pointer to his likely/possible maternal line? 

I guess you have searched through the family history section of the NSW State Library and also perhaps know your way around both the NSW State Records Office and SAG as well 

When/where did he marry, and what name did he use when marrying?  Have you got to the actual parish register or have you needed to rely on the transmitted records from all the various denominations held at St Phillips as per Governor Macquarie's General Orders from Sept 1810 ? 

I do sympathise with your quest, and I definitely know why you are 'stumped' at the moment.

Cheers,  JM   

Thanks for your reply JM.

I have not been to the State Library in person. I have been to the complex out at Penrith some years ago when I was heavily into the research of the son's (also named William Tooley (Johnson)) details.

I am fortunate enough to have been able to get some information from a family tree that was published in the Daily Telegraph in 2007. It was a supplement, "Origins, Trace Your Family Tree". I have three issues and each concentrated on a celeb's family tree. In one of them was John Howard's (PM) family tree. My family share common ancestors. The 'tree' was prepared with the assistance by SAG.  I guess they had a few problems too because they stopped at the  point where I have stopped ('Stumped").  Until this Supplement I wasn't aware that the lastname was originally Tooley. That is how I know he changed his name to Johnson. He died in 1837 and buried under that name (as per grave inscription).

Your point about maternal line name is an avenue I can chase. Thanks for that reminder.

Reg

Hi

I have been researching the above person for a number of years now. I am absolutely stumped.

Please be aware I am fairly familiar with researching on the 'net.  However, I could be mistaken and therefore stand to be corrected.

William appeared in court on 26 Oct 1814 (see Old Bailey). He was convicted for life and transported to Australia.  He was 17 years old at the time which puts his birth at 1797. I have found a fairly close record of a William Tooley baptized on 18 Dec 1796 at St Andrew, Holborn to William and Ann Tooley. This is done by his age at conviction.  I have no real proof whether these are his parents.

I am trying to find his parents. There doesn't appear to be any record of his parents on his convict records here in Australia.  There must be something recorded in England before he was sent to Australia (one would think).

Can anyone assist me by pointing me in some direction to obtain his birth records?

Reg
Canberra, Australia