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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
However, I'm still failing to find a marriage for Bessie & Alfred
It would be far from the first illegitimate birth I've found in my researches, but it is unusual.

Whilst couples living with illegitimate children are common, they are normally registered to the mother, with no father given.

But the GRO for Victoria Wyatt b1897 looks perfectly legit:

WYATT, VICTORIA FLORENCE MAUD PETERS
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 99

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
I think this is Alfred and Alice in 1881 - ages a little out

22 Chippendale Rd, Hackney

William Wyatt 60  - draughtsman to solicitor b Westminster
Caroline Wyatt  53 - b Oxfordshire
Laura Wyatt   20
Alfred Wyatt    18  b Bethnal Green, clerk, general
Alice Wyatt      15  b Bethnal green

It would appear Alfred  joined the army in 1886, giving his age as 19
Pursuing the family, the births align nicely with the GRO index:

WYATT, LAURA FRANCES CRIPPS
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 209

WYATT, ALFRED EDWARD CRIPPS
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 228
 
WYATT, ALICE ELIZABETH CRIPPS
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 227

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Sunday 24 March 24 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
This is Alice's marriage - the dob matches an admission of an Alice Barnes in 1900 to Bexley Heath asylum

Alice Wyatt, 26
Father    William Wyatt (deceased), draughtsman

Joseph Barnes, 33, widower, painter

Marriage  1 Jul 1896, All Saints, Camden Town
Address 13 Pratt St
Interesting - on the baptism cert of Victoria Florence Maud Wyatt, Alfred gives "Painter" as his occupation, and 13 Pratt St as residence.

pursuing 13 Pratt St (via Electoral Registers)

1894 - No (voting) resident
1895 - Frederick William Cole (successive from 1 Anglers Lane)
1896 - Frederick William Cole
1897 - Frederick William Cole
1898 - No (voting) resident
1899 - Emmanuel King (successive from 81a Bayham St)
1900 - Emannuel King
1901 - No (voting) resident

I attach an irrelevant but amusing newspaper clipping about Mr King.

Islington Gazette

14 July 1899



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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 22:41 GMT (UK)  »
Mabel has given some great background on the Wyatt connection, but I have broken down and ordered the 1907 Wyatt/Amott marriage cert.

Here's hoping for useful/unambiguous information!

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 22:21 GMT (UK)  »
It's on Ancestry, but takes some digging around in un-indexed collections of scans
I am open to instruction - "give a man a fish" etc...

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 16:05 GMT (UK)  »
With a bit of digging around I've found records of Alfred Edward Wyatt's admission into the local lunatic ward before he was moved to Colney Hatch

That's all extremely helpful - what site(s) has this data please?

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Friday 22 March 24 21:15 GMT (UK)  »
This is Alice's marriage - the dob matches an admission of an Alice Barnes in 1900 to Bexley Heath asylum

Alice Wyatt, 26
Father    William Wyatt (deceased), draughtsman

Joseph Barnes, 33, widower, painter

Marriage  1 Jul 1896, All Saints, Camden Town
Address 13 Pratt St
Interesting - on the baptism cert of Victoria Florence Maud Wyatt, Alfred gives "Painter" as his occupation, and 13 Pratt St as residence.

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Cornwall / Re: Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Friday 22 March 24 17:40 GMT (UK)  »
do you a copy of the 1907 marriage to see who Bessie names as her father?

No, I'm only doing this for a friend, so I'm using what I already have subs for -  FindMyPast, Ancestry, familysearch, FreeBMD, GRO index, British Newspaper Archive.

It is quite disappointing that Ancestry don't have the PR for this marriage though - the LMA has a lot of stuff for that era/locality (1907, St Pancras).

Perhaps it was registry office.

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Cornwall / Two Bessie Peters - one person?
« on: Friday 22 March 24 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
I have two lovely chains of records.

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The earlier one, principally census 1861-1891 tells the tale of John Peters (1833-1881) and Catherine Spriddell (1839-1892), and their 4 children (Emma b1861, John Henry b1865, Bessie b1872, Frederick Charles b1874). The children's DOBs are from GRO records.

Everybody except Catherine (born St Kew) was born and lived in St Austell. John Peters (engineman) died in a boiler explosion in 1881; Catherine then became a grocer, and died in turn in 1892, leaving an estate of £90, with Bessie as executor. Bessie shows in both the censuses 1881-1891 after her birth.

Census cites; Class: Rg 9; Piece: 1548; Folio: 103; Page: 15; GSU roll: 542829, Class: RG10; Piece: 2265; Folio: 40; Page: 17; GSU roll: 834883, Class: RG12; Piece: 1823; Folio: 31; Page: 12; GSU roll: 6096933.

John and Catherine's marriage (1 May 1859) doesn't show in FreeBMD, but is on familysearch:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6XMB-VL?i=119&cc=1769414

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The second chain starts with Alfred Edward Wyatt and wife Bessie having a child, Victoria Florence Maud Wyatt, in 1897. The GRO index confirms the child's MMN as Peters. They are living in Camden. In the 1901 census parents and child are at 2 King St. Alfred Wyatt enters the Colney Hatch Asylum in 1905, and dies there in 1906. His DOB calculates as 1868. I cannot find a marriage for Alfred and Bessie, and Alfred has proven hard to trace pre-1901.

In 1907 Bessie (now Wyatt) marries Frederick Amott (1865-1939) (frequently mistranscribed as Arnott).  The 1911 census (Walthamstow) shows a slew of children from Frederick's first marriage to Mary Jane Lillywhite (1869-1906), and one "Florence Arnott". Florence is a perfect match for Victoria Florence Maud Wyatt. All the other children show up neatly as surname Amott, MMN Lillywhite in the GRO index (pace transcription variations)

By 1921 (census) the family are at 108 Markfield Rd, Tottenham. Bessie Amott died 1938, Frederick a year later in 1939. Both were at No 108 in 1937, both deaths are registered in Edmonton, so likely both died at 108. In the 1939 Electoral register No 108 is occupied only by Frederick's youngest daughter Rosina and her Husband Donald Keep.

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I think these 2 chains of records have Bessie Peters in common, but the connect is weaker than I like. The main link is the date - Bessie loses her last parent, and gains an inheritance in 1893, and Victoria Wyatt is born in 1897.

But there are problems. Whilst Bessie#1 is born and raised in St Austell, 3rd quarter 1872, Bessie #2 census ages go:

1901: 1873, St Columb
1911: 1874, St Columb
1921: 1875, St Austell

(perhaps she just preferred to age at 9 years per decade!)

So - do I have 1 Bessie or 2, and how can I make the answer to that question less ambiguous?

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