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The Lighter Side / Re: Genealogy frustrations.
« on: Monday 31 August 20 13:40 BST (UK)  »
My common surnames.
Thats my headache.  My Johnson ancestor married a Brown in the 1800s and I have never ever been certain I have the right Brown even doing DNA. 
 That is but 2 of my common surnames where there are to many choices that "could be" my ancestor and there is no way I can rule out every possible one.  This is in the Durham Northumberland area.
:)

Best wishes from Canada.

My Durham/Cumberland/Northumberland Browns are similar - too many of them! I was able to get back a bit further with one, who consistently said her birthplace was Ruttleback. It turned out, after a lot of searching, this was Rattlebeck - a few cottages in Cumberland - where she wasn't born, but moved there very young...

My other Brown line in those counties has been equally challenging!

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Travelling People / Re: Hamilton & Saunders 1900's SE UK
« on: Sunday 09 June 19 13:18 BST (UK)  »
A few updates on this thread, the summary of what is known is below:

I have now gained some new information finally from someone who recalls "Reginald Hamilton".

He called himself "Rex" apparently, which makes sense of why my Grandmother Daphne called her children Hamilton and Rex (the latter being my father). He also had a large car, and a boat on the thames "indicating he was quite wealthy". This was recalled by someone who met him when she was young (she was born in the 1930's).

On the marriage certificate of my grandmother Daphne - in 1933 - Reginald / Rex was described as a "Stockbroker".

The previous summary below:

Summarising here the outcomes of this huge long thread

And continuing the search to find "Reginald Hamilton"

Marie M Saunders (on 1911 aged 16 and living in Maida Vale daughter of Ernestine) gives birth it seems (tbc) to 3 children:

Daphne Marguerite Hamilton b1911 Paddington
Stewart E/R Hamilton b1914 Eastbourne Sussex
Anthony P Hamilton b1916 Willseden Middlesex

Daphne (my grandmother): birth certificate lists Reginald Hamilton, flannel manufacturers traveller as father.

Birth certificates are on order Anthony (will order Stewarts too later) to confirm if Reginald / Marie are listed as parents as for Daphne.

1939 census sees Anthony P Hamilton "Occupation traveller" living in Uckfield with Ernestine, mother of Marie. In the 1960's we find Anthony living back in Maida Vale with Stewart.

Back in 1939 - Marie is living a short way away from Anthony. She is now Marie Lambert, married to Walter Lambert, living with Daphne Jiggens (my gran), Hamilton Jiggens (Daphnes son) and two more locked records who could be other family members: Percy Charles (husband of Daphne), rex Jiggens (second son of Daphne) and / or Walter Lambert.

Marie and Reginald never appear to marry. It could be that Reginald dies in the war?

The question is - who is Reginald Hamilton? I have a few possibles on the 1901 / 1911 but have not been able to pin down for sure who he is.

If you like intrigue and mysteries read on -

It seems certain that Maries mother - Ernestine - also had her children out of wedlock too.

Ernestine Saunders b1864 - 1961 - mother of Eugene and Marie on the 1911 is listed as widowed.

However it seems from family pictures and stories that she is in fact Ernestine Le Fort who christens an illegitimate child in Marleybone 1890. And also has Marie Saunders in 1894.

Family stories say that my Grandmother Daphne was traveller - possibly Romany.

I have read on this forum that travellers "often didn't marry but would sometimes baptise their children".

It seems that we have two generations of women - Ernestine and Marie - in stable relationship where they give birth to several children, but do not marry the fathers.

Additionally in several places those children are listed as "traveller" -

Anthony P Hamilton on 1939
Reginald Hamilton on the birth certificate of Daphne.

So thats a summary of the story so far. I have some birth & marriage certificates due end of January, and also am doing dna matching on familydna.com

If anyone spots anything in the meantime - any help most welcome!

With thanks,

Cathryn

Hi Cathryn,

I see you have a possible link to the Romany Saunders family. My grandmother and I (who are both descended from this family) have taken a DNA test on Ancestry and have uploaded our data to GEDmatch. If you have your DNA on either of these websites, we may be able to establish a link.

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Travelling People / Re: Louisa James
« on: Monday 18 February 19 22:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hello hops and TravellingGirl94,

I too am a descendant of Richard and Louisa. I'm descended from their daughter, Emma, who married Richard Saunders.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Family history coincidences
« on: Friday 11 January 19 12:09 GMT (UK)  »
It's certainly possible.

I've got a match on ancestry who is my fourth cousin, once removed on my father's side (on her mother's side) and a fifth cousin, twice removed on my mother's side (on her father's side)!

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The Common Room / Re: What did you do on Armistice Centenary Day?
« on: Wednesday 14 November 18 11:42 GMT (UK)  »

In the run up to the service, I published an article about those on the Creech St Michael War Memorial as well as those who moved away and died. If anybody is interested, here is the link http://findingmypast.weebly.com/csm-war-memorial.html. I felt it was important to share with my fellow villagers. Over the coming year, I am hoping to compile a list of servicemen from the village who served in World War 1.

Have you added them to the Imperial War Museum Lives of the First World War website? The aim  is to add details to facts about each person who served so that they are more than names. Information can be added until March 2019. You can also create an entry for the village if there isn't one already in the Communities section.
https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/about

Thank you, Maiden Stone. I will do that now. I have added a few relatives already, but really must get round to adding more.  :)

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The Common Room / Re: What did you do on Armistice Centenary Day?
« on: Tuesday 13 November 18 12:04 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately, being a university student I have quite a big assignment due in on Thursday, so I spent most of the day working on that (should finish today)! However, I did make sure between 10:30-11:05 I watched the ceremony at the cenotaph. Afterwards, I watched the leftover part of the ceremony from my home town over Facebook Live.


In the run up to the service, I published an article about those on the Creech St Michael War Memorial as well as those who moved away and died. If anybody is interested, here is the link http://findingmypast.weebly.com/csm-war-memorial.html. I felt it was important to share with my fellow villagers. Over the coming year, I am hoping to compile a list of servicemen from the village who served in World War 1.

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World War One / Re: Why did Joseph forfeit his medals?
« on: Friday 09 November 18 17:31 GMT (UK)  »
OK thanks. I found a report of his funeral in the Taunton Courier

That's him! Maybe he is mentioned on the memorial because of his death in relation to the war effort rather than being a soldier.  :-\

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World War One / Re: Why did Joseph forfeit his medals?
« on: Friday 09 November 18 17:05 GMT (UK)  »
Tell us about your Joseph Adams and we'll see if we can help - which memorial is he on? Do you know his regiment? Where and when was he born?

He is named on the Creech St Michael War Memorial. His full name is Joseph Henry Adams and he was born in 1890 in the hamlet of Walford which is part of the Creech St Michael parish. He was a member of the Independent Equalised Order of Druids and they held his funeral. He died on the 17th August 1915. He appears to have been in the ASC, but may have been in the labour corps. He seemed to be stationed in England, meaning there might not be many (if any) records for him - other than his death certificate which I have ordered a PDF copy of.



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World War One / Re: Why did Joseph forfeit his medals?
« on: Friday 09 November 18 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
NW/9/2016 would have been the authorative letter/note that recorded the act of forfeiture.  Without his service record we don't know what the misconduct actually was.  The charge of misconduct was much more serious that the word suggests including sleeping on duty on operations, using violence or disrespectful behaviour to a superior, misconduct through drink or drugs.   He would have received some sort of sentence and forfeiture was part of the result.

MaxD

Thank you, Max and Shaun!

I should say the Joseph Adams I am looking for was kicked in the head by a mule in July 1915 which led to tetanus and depression. He died a month later. I'm hoping his death certificate will give more information about his service number etc. He is named on the parish war memorial, but doesn't seem to be on the CWGC database!


It appears he is not this Joseph Adams, but he seems to have a rather interesting story to tell and I can rule him off my possibilities list!

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