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Thank you Sc00p re the mention of Mildred E. Allen/Wardley marriage to John Francis Lobel in 1947. I was aware but welcome very much your input. Details re the circumstances of the parting of Mildred and John Duncan Allen (whenever that occurred) is complicated by a) the difficulty in my finding any divorce details of either of her two marriages and b) in my knowing that a child was born to a mother named Wardley, (I think in Bradford) in Yorkshire in 1946 i.e. a son Noel C Allen. Bradford Yorks was Lobel's birthplace and family home. The cynic in me suggests that this probably provides in part, a reasonable cause for the Mildred-JD Allen break-up. British divorce data is seemingly most difficult to obtain. I live in Australia, and by comparison, is a straight-forward process here. Part of the solution to discovery of data, is of course the purchase of relevant BMD certificates from GRO.

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Sc00p the Bath engineering company Stothert & Pitt (S & P) were manufacturers of gigantic dock-side cranes that still exist in Bristol and around the world. Being a large and long-established industrial engineering company since the 19th century until the 1980s, and Bath's largest ever employer, (despite the city's famous tourism status), it's surely likely that S & P were JD Allen's employer c1949. What do you think? Thank you for yours and mckha489's enormous input.

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mckha489 the Bath engineering company Stothert & Pitt (S & P) were manufacturers of gigantic dock-side cranes that still exist in Bristol and around the world. Being a large and long-established industrial engineering company since the 19th century until the 1980s, and Bath's largest ever employer, (despite the city's famous tourism status), it's highly likely surely that S & P were JD Allen's employer c1949. What do you think? Thank you for yours and Scoop's enormous input. 

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Thank you AndyJ2022 for supplying John Duncan Allen's military data. It has now been established by others  that he worked in the private sector at a Bath engineering business in October 1949. You are thus correct in suggesting that he was unlikely to have continued to serve. The only interest for me now is to establish what life experiences transpired and where beyond October 1949, i.e. until his death, a matter which remains unknown.

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Thank you mckha489. Very useful news cutting re Bath employment. Confirms his presence in Bristol- Bath area c1949, providing a new lead perhaps. Much appreciated. 

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An overwhelming number of responses to my post, thanks to all of you, much appreciate your interest, especially to you Sandra. Unfortunate however that most of the responsive interest was focussed on John's ancestors and of life from his birth in Canada to the end of WW2. My post had however, called for any information of his existence post 1949. I have his entire life documented prior to 1949, all thanks to my friendship with John's granddaughter here in Australia where we both live. We had a person-to-person meeting just last Saturday in Perth, her mother (JR as mentioned by you Sandra) still lives in Essex in England. Her mother is still mystified as to her father John's 'disappearance' post 1949, and as Sandra did indicate, he was not present at her wedding in April 1960. She (JR) the eldest of 5 siblings. A sixth child, a daughter died in 1945 aged 8.                 
The following summarises deployment of John Allen's then regiment 13th/18th Hussars post WW2. John could have been part of that deployment. He was clearly a career soldier.
The regiment was posted to Northampton Barracks in Wolfenbüttel in March 1946 and returned to the United Kingdom to its new base at Willems Barracks in Aldershot Garrison in October 1947. It was deployed to Libya in February 1948, to Egypt in April 1950 and to Malaya, for service as an armoured car regiment during the Malayan Emergency, in June 1950. It returned to Wolfenbüttel in November 1953 and then moved to McLeod Barracks at Neumünster in April 1956 from where it deployed a squadron to Aden. It returned to Malaya and was posted to Ramillies Camp at Ipoh in July 1958. I have found no reference to their deploying troops during the Korean War 1950-1953. A military discharge and/or death of John are the missing pieces of his data. Note: Cornwall's population includes more Allens and Allans than anywhere else. I have Allen ancestors of Cornwall. It's far too easy to assume that a John Duncan ALLAN's (note spelling) death recorded at Liskeard in 1976 is our quarry. Most unlikely.

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On the 9th July 1943 the then Sergeant John Duncan Whyte Allen, born in Canada May 1908, was awarded the George Medal in recognition of conspicuous gallantry in carrying out hazardous work in a very brave manner. This was awarded for "saving a life in a rock-climbing accident in Gibraltar". Miraculously, he 'lassoed' a fallen climber at great risk to himself and hauled him to safety.
He had previously been Mentioned in Despatches whilst a Lance Sergeant for "gallant and distinguished services in successful combined operations against the enemy at Vaagso and Maaloy." Sadly, there are no details of John's life post 1949, with his death year not known, and neither the location. His last known address being 152 Redland Road in Bristol in 1949. At the time he was married with 5 children born between 1938 and 1945 at Colchester in Essex. Any help to establish his life's detail post 1949 would be most appreciated. Claims of his death occurring in Liskeard Cornwall in 1976 are likely to be false. Bob Lee   

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: DABNER family
« on: Friday 21 June 13 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Hello Cath24...great to have you reply and trust the holiday was enjoyed. The Dabners are such an interesting family, my connection however is a little tenuous in that it is my former wife Bunty (still good friends) here in Australia is a great grandaughter of William Dabner i.e. George's father. She was pleasantly surprised to say the least to learn from me that she had a convict ancestor. Tasmania is now populated by many of the Dabner descendents, all courtesy of William's arrival there in 1852. Attached are a Dabner pedigeee chart and a photo/mariner registration of Thomas your grandfather. The wartime story of Thomas Dabner his son on the Durham Light Infantry website is amazing too. Please inform me if you can (without full public disclosure), the current surname only of Thomas the war-hero's niece who is mentioned in that website's story. Once I get that I can elaborate some more. As you can see my Rootschat identity is now Babel replacing 'Bob'. Looking forward to 'chatting' with you again

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: DABNER family
« on: Tuesday 28 May 13 20:53 BST (UK)  »
Just registered today for the first time and saw searches for George Dabner by cath24 in 2009 and 2011. I have not only his full history prior to the 1861 census but of his parents and their forebears who originated in and around Dartford in Kent. George was born in Frindsbury near Rochester in 1845 to William and Sophia, one of 7 children survivors of an original 10. Like himself, George's 4 brothers were all seafarers of sorts. His mother Sophia died aged 47 in 1854, two years after his father William was transported to Tasmania as a convict having been sentenced at Maidstone to 10 years for stealing a sheep. If you're still searching what else would you like to know?

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