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Armed Forces / Re: Uncles Crossed Rifles Badge
« on: Sunday 24 October 21 19:49 BST (UK)  »
OK, here is a combined image of the front and reverse. 
I don't think I am losing too much detail squeezing it down to under 500K. With the 3.5M original images, there is blurring due to the reflections off the gold.
I believe the Hallmark is [TF] [9] [375] [anchor] [G].

I think TF could be Thomas Fattonni, 1907-1938  a badge, button, dish, fob, medal, spoon, trophy cup manufacturer. Trafalgar Medal Works, Regent Street, Birmingham


Armed Forces / Re: Uncles Crossed Rifles Badge
« on: Friday 22 October 21 13:25 BST (UK)  »
Hi John,
Thanks for the research. Yes, please do submit to a more specialist group.  I have looked at this multiple times and never spotted that the leaves are different on each side !   The ring at the top is used to attach it to a gold chain. I'll post a larger picture.  thanks Chris

Armed Forces / Re: Uncles Crossed Rifles Badge
« on: Thursday 21 October 21 10:27 BST (UK)  »
Thanks John,

Might be. When Uncle left the Army he went to work for MOD and managed a Firing Range. He does have some Army Shooting trophies but these are small spoons with his details on.

Armed Forces / Re: Uncles Crossed Rifles Badge
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 06:01 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Cliff,

That looks like the probable answer. I found some similar designs for Army shooting badges. Also discovered that Birmingham Mint was a popular source of quality badges.

Armed Forces / Uncles Crossed Rifles Badge
« on: Monday 18 October 21 08:16 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone help me identify a badge from my uncle?  It is Hallmarked gold, I think it is G date letter and an anchor symbol so that is Birmingham 1931 but they are very small symbols.  It looks like a cap badge but there is no pin on the back. He was in the Army, roughly 1965-1975, and his father, my grandfather, was in WW2 in Europe, Germany. He was fond of buying gold and expensive watches during his travels, he went all over the world in his army service, so it might not have any family connections but it is one of his personal items.

Thanks for all the references to the Herbert family in US.

I am getting better now at following the US sources in FamilySearch.

Found the 1908 marriage of Hannah Herbert interesting. That middle name of Celina could be a link to her mother's sister, Selina,  from 1851 Census. 

With the absence of Mary Anne's younger siblings in the US records I am leaning more towards looking for their death records in Poplar.  The theory being  that family lose their younger children and decide to make a new start in the US with the surviving daughter Mary Anne.

Thanks to everyone who has contributed . It is now time to add these to FamilySearch tree and see if that brings up any links with other research.

Sorry Carol,

I have been engrossed in another thread in US Emigration.

I really like the version with the restoration of the collar and necklace.  I think it is an amazing portrait and expect it was a significant cost.


Thanks very much everyone.

Looks like I have at least 4 children to follow up; Ann Elizabeth; 1874; Sara Herbert 1876; William Herbert 1881 ; Hannah Herbert 1890 ( although that is a long gap between last two)

I am confused by Social Security application for Hannah Waldt. Waldt looks similar to Walds to me? Hannah Herbert (1890) would not have married Albert E Walds until c 1908 judging from the information on 1910 Census. And born 17 Sep 1891 reference looks like a error for Hannah Herbert born 17 Sep 1890  from FamilySearch?

Got It !  It is like the UK 1939 Register, updated later. Original application for Hannah Herbert ( born 17 Sept FamilySearch 1890 / Social Security 1891) by her parents  James Herbert and Mary Ann Payne.  And sometime later, changed to reflect her married name of Hannah Walds/Waldt.

 Thanks Sandra,

That looks promising for the father.  So if father and daughter were in New York how many more do I need to say that the whole family emigrated?

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