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Durham / Re: Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 13:02 GMT (UK)  »
That's fantastic Jen, and gives me the connection between Robert and this particular Alfred that I felt I was missing.

Thank you  :)

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Durham / Re: Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 12:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Jen.

I've been round in circles so often that I can't see the wood for the trees anymore!




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Durham / Re: Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 12:02 GMT (UK)  »
Ah, now this is looking better, thank you! 

I couldn't understand why Robert would say that Alfred, his father, was a Ship Driller when he was a coal miner, but I've found him in 1901 in Haswell with a new occupation RG13/4688/29/11

Alfred Grieve 49 Boiler Maker Steel b Sunderland
Jane 47 wife b Sunderland
Jane A 10 daur b Sunderland
Alfred 8 son b Sunderland

But this obviously doesn't tie up with the 1897 school record saying that Robert's father was deceased  ???  It does explain why I couldn't find a death for him though!

I feel like this is probably the right family for 'my' Robert and that he wasn't Robert Graves risen from the dead, but I still have a nagging uncertainty. 

In 1911 I think Alfred Jr is at 3 Queen Street, Sunderland, aged 19 but then I lose him.  Still looking for what happened to Alfred Sr too. 

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Durham / Re: Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 01:39 GMT (UK)  »
He may have had reason for wanting to put his age up / appear older than he was.
Possibly.  The record is said to be from 1918.

Gwendoline's stated age at marriage is 38 but she was actually 46.  If I now have the correct Robert and he was born March 1886 then he will have only been 31 and not 37 per the marriage certificate.

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Durham / Re: Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 00:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Mabel, its certainly possible - he's driving me up the wall!

I keep going back to the pension card with the address of 6½ Villier Street, Sunderland, which leads to the Merchant Seaman record that lists his NoK as Alfred Grieves of the same address and gives his DoB as 27 Mar 1883, Sunderland.

The 1897 school record (Chester Road Board School) gives a DoB of 27 Mar 1886 but says father deceased, address Union.

The 1893 school record (Hudson Road Boys) has a DoB of 6 Mar 1885 but lists his father as Alfred (which matches his 1917 marriage) and gives an address of 29 Covent Garden Street.  Left later the same year as left the town.

Baptised from the same address on 22 Jun 1893 was Alfred s/o Jane & Alfred Grieves.  The mmn on Alfred's birth registration was McCloud, which leads me to this birth, in the Lanchester RD:

27 Mar 1886 27 South Medomsley, Collierley RSD, Robert s/o Alfred Greaves, Coal Miner, and Jane Greaves late Batsobena (?) formerly McCloud  (I love these £2.50 PDFs!!)

Have I finally found the right person?

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Durham / Robert Grieves - risen from the dead?
« on: Monday 25 March 24 20:47 GMT (UK)  »
I’m trying to trace the groom from a 1917 marriage at South Shields Register Office, but unless he died in 1916 and rose from the dead then I’m completely stumped!

Robert Grieves, 37, Bachelor, Private Northumberland Fusiliers (marine stoker), 56 Albion Street, Jarrow.  Father: Alfred Grieves, Ship Driller
Gwendoline O'Toole, 38, Widow, 56 Albion Street, Jarrow [NB also known as Winifred]
Wits: Wm C Barclay & Elizabeth Badger

His service number was 10175, and the Shields Daily Gazette of 27 July 1917 has an article about him being charged as a deserter.  He told magistrates that he enlisted at the outbreak of war, served for a week, and then left the camp and went to sea.  His age is given as 37 and he was found in Albarry Street (sic).

His pension cards give addresses of 46 Rose Street, Hebburn (his address in 1921) and 6½ Villier Street, Sunderland.  The latter ties in with a Merchant Seamans record giving his birth as 27 Mar 1883, Sunderland, Next of Kin: Alfred Grieves, 6½ Villier Street, Sunderland.  NB The 1921 census gives his age as 40 years & 3-months, born Sunderland, so born Mar 1881

Despite all of this information I can’t find him before marriage, unless he is the Robert Graves who married Margaret Kirven in 1906 in Jarrow.  In 1911 he is with Margaret at 57 High Street, Jarrow, aged 30.  With them is his widowed mother Hannah Graves (nee Day) aged 57 born Hull.

I have this man’s birth certificate – born 11 Feb 1881 High Street Jarrow, parents Robert (Iron Shipyard Labourer) and Hannah (nee Day).  Registered 7 May 1881

This Robert is reported to have died 31 May 1916 whilst serving aboard HMS Queen Mary.  Margaret’s widows pension says Robert was in the Royal Navy Reserve, No. 2973, but his RNR records (from TNA) give his DoB as 11 Jun 1885!

To further complicate things there are school records in Sunderland in 1893 and 1897 for a Robt Grieves born either 6 Mar 1885 (father Alfred) or 27 Mar 1886 (father deceased). 

Can anyone help me sort this out please!

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Durham / Re: John Stokoe, Tanfield Village
« on: Friday 08 March 24 00:34 GMT (UK)  »
Have you looked on the North East Inheritance Database?

There is a 1752 record for John Stokoe, gentleman, of Bryan's Leap in the chapelry of Tanfield. 
The image shows that administration was granted to Dorothy Stokoe of Bryan's Leap, relict, Thomas Stokoe of the same, gentleman, and Joseph Taylor of the same place.

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t1q/

ADDED: The NBI says he was buried 15 Jan 1752 at St Margaret of Antioch, Tanfield.  No other information unfortunately.

He's possibly the John Stokoe widower of Byermoor [Whickham] who married Dorothy Barras of Whickham in 1736, and before that possibly Dorothy Labourne in 1723

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t1s/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t1r/

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Phillips / Phillip - Clynnog ( Patrynomic Question )
« on: Saturday 24 February 24 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
William John Phillip(s) may be a form of extended patronymics, ie William ap John ap Phillip,

In my tree I have a Thomas Morgan EVAN who I'm reasonably certain was the son of Morgan EVAN. 

Another son of (I think!) the same Morgan EVAN used the MORGAN surname, and the above Thomas Morgan EVAN is buried in the middle of a row of his MORGAN descendants.

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