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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 18:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: cath151 on Saturday 17 May 25 18:15 BST (UK)
Possible for Martha in 1911?
Workhouse, Cemetery Road, Bodmin.
Martha Laugoton (FindMyPast transcription, looks like Langston on image.
Age 64   
Inmate
House keeper with father
Born St Clear, Cornwall.

Cathy

Thanks for this Cathy, the birth place being St Cleer is a fit with earlier information. On FindMyGrave Sandy has included an entry for a Martha Langston at St Breock which would be a good fit, sadly it lacks a photo. Further it begs the question that as Martha had fallen to become a pauper, placed in the asylum, would the family have paid for her to been buried at St Breock?

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 18:17 BST (UK)  »
I've managed to obtain the digital file of Fred's birth from GRO on payment of £3. This is a first for me. Trust I'm permitted to share it here...

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 16:31 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 17 May 25 16:26 BST (UK)
Personally, as we are not sure if it is the correct person I would be going for the cheapest option Digital at £3.  It is exactly the same scan for the information but the dear one is mounted on a paper copy and the PDF a copy of that.  The £3 option gives you the image but it is not mounted on any proforma.

This is a link to a £3 death certificate which gives some idea of the format, I can't locate a birth one on here at the moment
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=889041.msg7626288#msg7626288

Hi Rosie,
Thanks for the speedy response which answers the question perfectly. I'll get the £3 digital file. The crazy thing is that Fred is a distraction - he's not directly related - but he's interesting, if that makes sense!
 

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 16:06 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Friday 16 May 25 16:35 BST (UK)
He is listed as Frederick in 1891

Do you have his birth certificate  :-\.   This is a possibility
LANGSON, FREDERICK       -  (No mothers maiden surname)
GRO Reference: 1888  June Quarter in SAINT COLUMB MAJOR  Volume 05C  Page 81

If you don't have the certificate it may be worthwhile as he may be the son of someone other than Martha

I don't have his birth certificate. I've checked online and it seems that I need to apply via the GRO where there are three choices of format for the birth certificate. Since I've not previously had a need to approach them can I ask what the most sensible option would be? Thanks in advance.

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 16:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: osprey on Friday 16 May 25 20:15 BST (UK)
this could be his baptism in 1893 - noted as illegitimate

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=6955406

same address as on the 1891 census

1911 for Tryphena under her middle name of Annie in case Fred is nearby

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7LP-MNT?lang=en

Mother Martha was admitted to Bodmin Asylum 16 May 1911, census was 2 April. Haven't spotted her on census as yet.

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=institution_inmates&id=187931

her burial
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=5234122

Thank you for these leads which I have found very helpful.

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Saturday 17 May 25 06:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Friday 16 May 25 15:23 BST (UK)
Quote from: sprintexec on Friday 16 May 25 14:15 BST (UK)

I can see Fred, siblings and mother Tryphena Annie Langson in the 1901 census but I can't find him in the 1911 census. Any ideas why that might be the case? 


I am confused. Fred appears to have married Tryphena Annie Hill in 1914, you have her as his mother.

Is he the Fred bn Wadebridge c1888 with mother Martha and brother Arthur living in Wadebridge in 1901

Apologies, that was my misstep whilst away from my documents. I believe Fred's mother to have been Martha and that Tryphena Annie Hill was as you have correctly deduced Fred's wife.

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Friday 16 May 25 14:46 BST (UK)  »
In the 1939 census Vernon, Fred's son was shown as an invalid.
LANGSON, Vernon married COTTELL, Alice Bodmin District 7a 41 in 1957 Q3

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Cornwall / Re: Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Friday 16 May 25 14:40 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Friday 16 May 25 14:27 BST (UK)
The obvious place would be DNA from descendants of Vernon unless you can find anything in newspapers about child maintenance or similar.  Does his 1914 marriage give any information on a father

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Rosie. So far, I've only been able to find the marriage on FreeBMD and that doesn't give me his father's details.

I'll see what I can find out about Vernon. I have established that a war pension was paid. I'll look further into Vernon.

Could Fred have failed to mention, if indeed he knew, his father's details. Might he have fudged it by saying that his dad had died? 

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Cornwall / Fred Langson died WW1 born Wadebridge - who was his father and other questions!
« on: Friday 16 May 25 14:15 BST (UK)  »
I'd like to find Fred's father - where shall I look next?

Hi, I'm researching Fred Langson who died during WW1 in 1918. He's a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.

I know Fred's mother. I know that her husband cannot have fathered Fred because he died more than a year before Fred was conceived.

I can see Fred, siblings and mother Tryphena Annie Langson in the 1901 census but I can't find him in the 1911 census. Any ideas why that might be the case? 

He wed in 1914, fathered a son Vernon and was KIA in France in 1918. All records that I have found show his name as Langson.

Where should I look next?

I'm hoping to enlist help from this wonderful community.

Thanks in advance, Andy

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