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Hello Emily - That's great. Why don't you begin by telling us the earliest person that you go back to and then we can link you in?

Best Wishes

Patrick B

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Northumberland / Re: Ann Forster & Leonard Armstrong
« on: Friday 20 November 20 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Christian

No problem, happy to help.

Anthony Bell married 1766 Elizabeth Bell died 1787, 4 children.

I've seen the Wills for all concerned. There is a Will and Death Duty Record for Ann Forster 1813, you can order them online, I believe from Findmypast. Leonard Armstrong & John Hutchinson joint Executors

Best Wishes
Patrick

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Thomas Forster 1729-1804 was the second son of Robert Forster, a Catholic Farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexhamshire by his second wife Elizabeth Winter, married 1726, a descendent of the Winter Family of Hexhamshire. Robert died 1736 was around 60 years of age when Thomas was born. His Will was Proved at York. The children of this second marriage were:

i) Robert 1727-1792 occupation Blacksmith, of Corbridge, married Sarah Forster 1726-1809
ii) THOMAS 1729-1804 occupation Farmer, of Watch Currock Farm Hexham, married Ann Bell 1740-1813
iii) Joseph 1734-1815 occupation Farmer, of Yarridge Farm, Hexham, married 1763 Elizabeth Thompson.
iv) William born 1735 occupation Farmer, married 1767 Frances Shaftoe.

   Robert Forster died 1736 was originally married to Margaret Baxter died 1725, they had the following known children:

i) John 1705-1749 occupation Farmer, inherited Upper Eshells Farm upon his father’s death in 1736, married Sarah Thompson
ii) Mary, married 1743 George Carr
iii) Margaret
iv) Jane born 1717 married 1752 William Taylor
v) Frances 1719-1722
vi) Dorothy 1722-1793 married John Simmons occupation Farmer of Kentstone Farm, Kyloe

   Robert Forster died 1736, inherited Upper Eshells Farm from his own father, Robert Forster who died in 1685. His Will was Proved at York. Robert was married to Jane died 1722, who later re-married to Thomas Lawes. Robert & Jane had the following known children:

i) ROBERT died 1736 married i) Margaret Baxter ii) Elizabeth Winter
ii) Mark
iii) Matthew died 1713 occupation Farmer, of Threepwood Farm, Warden
iv) Jane married George Carr
v) Ann died 1732 married William Simpson

   Forster is a widespread Northumberland surname, as we go further back it becomes harder and harder to confidently identify each individual, there are many theories regarding this family but little proof other than what we do have.

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Hello everybody

For anybody researching this family a good start is:

i) The History of Northumberland Vol IV 1897 – contains a printed pedigree of the Forster Family of Upper Eshells, based upon Catholic baptismal Records from the old Dominican Catholic Chapel at Hexham and Stonecroft Catholic Chapel further along at Newbrough.

ii)   Frank J Vaughan wrote a four page article on the Forster’s of Upper Eshells which was printed in the Autumn 1983 Northern Catholic History Journal. Frank really has to take credit as the first person to conduct any in depth research into our Forster’s, I corresponded with Frank a few times by letter way back in 1999, later on I used his research as the springboard for my own research.

   Thomas Forster 1729-1804 a Catholic yeoman farmer of Watch Currock Farm, Hexham married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1765, Ann Bell 1740-1813.

   Thomas Forster 1729-1804 is a descendent of the Catholic Forster family listed in The County History of Northumberland (1897) who's ancestry can be traced back to Robert Forster, yeoman farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexham (1670). Ann Bell 1740-1813 daughter of William Bell is a descendent of the extended Bell Family of Hexhamshire, her brother Anthony Bell died at Watch Currock in 1801.

   Ann Forster, widow, of Watch Currock, Hexham died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters, Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman, wife of George Forster), Mary Hutchinson, Margery Baty, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and Frances Barron.

   The daughters in Ann Forster's Will are all mentioned in order of age:

i)   Ann 1766-1834 married 1790 Leonard Armstrong  1759-1841 occupation Miller, of Chipchase Mill, Chollerton
ii)   Elizabeth 1767-1851 married 1791 George Forster 1765-1851 occupation Tailor
iii)   Mary 1768-1846 married 1799 John Hutchinson 1762-1852 occupation Farmer – later took over Watch Currock Farm
iv)   Margery 1771-1835 married 1790 John Batey 1766-1839 occupation Slater
v)   Jane born 1775 married 1795 John Kirsop occupation Farmer
vi)   Dorothy 1777-1850 married 1799 John Hall 1775-1835 occupation Miller
vii)   Margaret 1779-1846 single woman?
viii)   Frances 1786-1863 married 1807 David Barron 1785-1846 occupation Farmer, of Spitall Farm, Haltwhistle, Kirkley Thorn Farm, Ponteland, Bush Farm, Newbrough, later Newcastle upon Tyne.

Despite all 8 daughters mentioned only baptismal records for 4 have survived. They are:

i)   Ann Forster , baptised 1766 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham.
ii)  Jane Forster, baptised 1775 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iii) Margaret Forster , baptised 1780 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iv) FRANCES FORSTER, baptised 1786 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.

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Hello Christian

I've found your Forster forum on rootschat, I'll post a reply there shortly.

Patrick

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   Hello Jon - It seems the only certainty that everyone can agree on is that David P Barron is not the father.

   If David P Barron -joiner/cabinet maker and Lottie were living together as common-law husband and wife and John & Arthur both had their father's surname, it may be that Lottie stated that the father was William "Barron"- clerk when in fact the father may have been William "Atkins"- clerk. Maybe it was done to protect the father?

   Growing up it's possible that Beatrice had no memory of a father and "assumed" she had the same father as her two brothers? Maybe all three siblings went through life not knowing that their mother had never been married? It's possible Beatrice may not have known the name "David Pearson Barron", but knew her mother's husband was a joiner? Having been brought up with the same surname as her brothers ,upon marriage Beatrice may have submitted her brother's full-name as a cover?

Speculation. Complicated.

Best of luck to you.

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Hello Jzwolensky:

Most of the theories about David's origins are in the earlier posts. There is evidence that David's eldest son John Barron 1746-1819 was Land Steward at Cheeseburn Grange, the local Manor House owned by the Riddell Family - which basically means that he ran the estate. If we go back further to David, the birth entry's for his children at Stamfordham state that he resided at Grange House Farm. Today Grange House Farm is exactly where it's name suggests, at the entrance of Cheeseburn Grange. I would suggest that David occupied a position much like his son during that particular period 1740's-60's?

Take a drive to Stamfordham today and all of the old farms associated with the Barron's are still there, Grange House, Nesbitt Hill Head, Harlow Hill, Rudchester, Street Houses, Dodley, Ouston, the village is still untouched, the old houses and pubs are still there and of course St Mary's Church and churchyard.

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Hello Ray

We know from various trade directories that Anthony F Barron was working out of 5-7 Clayton Street in 1858 before becoming insolvent in 1859 when he is mentioned in newspapers as the manager of John Lancelot Barrow(?), who was working from the same address.

From the records we have, John L Crozier's father, George Barron (1808-71), retired Police Superintendent, was residing at Crofton Cottage, Blyth, Northumberland, but this doesn't mean that he couldn't have had a business interest in a furniture store in Newcastle at 3 Clayton Street? Given the proximity and the family connection I don't see anybody else it could be other than John L  Crozier's father?

It's another of those strange twists that we're getting used to.

Best wishes
Patrick B

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Hi Patrexjax
 
Good message. It seems that you are descended from the wider Barron family of the Ovingham/Corbridge/Stamfordham area. The Stamfordham Barron's can only be traced to 1746, which is a little late for you. There is probably a connection between this family and yours but we can't prove it.

Best of luck with your research.

Patrick

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