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Hi brigidmac,

Autosomal testing is often better for finding an unknown father somewhere, but by the gtgt-grandfather level it gets harder to find the link.  It works better if many descendants test. 

If your cousin is a direct male descendant from this line (i.e. - going up his tree the unknown male is his father's father's father and so on)  then it may be helpful. 

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The results are presented merely as a list of names (no handles or nick names here) and they in theory should correspond to your own paternal name.  Like I say, about half of mine are variations of my family name.  It should be clear what name you belong to and there are named discussion groups you can join.  You get all sorts of other haplo information, maps and the like but its all quite generic and certainly of no genealogical use, which I knew when I took the taste. That was the origin of my question - what would my $300 specific haplo group really tell me!!  ftDNA is awful at answering that simple question

Upgrading to Y700 would provide a better idea of when branches occurred. 

I funded a test for one of my male relatives whose patrilineal lines leads back to Scotland.  We're fortunate with this line that we have records back to the 1600s because they'd been granted land.  According to these records the male line has been on the brink of extinction since the early 1700s when four sons were born.  One brother died young before having children and two others had a daughter.  The remaining son married and had several sons but two didn't have children and the other had daughters, leaving just the one son who was in his 40s and unmarried.  He finally married and was the gtgt-grandfather of my tester.  So, if the tree and records we have are correct anyone else matching on the line should be related from prior to 1700.

At the Y37 level there were 5 matches, 4 of whom with the same surname as the tester (just different spelling really).  I was pretty excited about this so within a week purchased a Y700 upgrade, and a few months later one of the matches  (in North America) were interested in doing the same, and one in Scandinavia (who descends from a soldier from Britain)

Dating is far more accurate with Y700 than Y37, and it shows the date of MRCA for the GD=2 match at Y37 is around 1650ish (give or take quite a lot) and for the GD=4 (different surname) it's around 1450.

This isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's been useful for the North Americans for pinpointing where their origins lie as they could only get back as far as a census record saying the ancestor was from Ireland.  The one in Scandinavia has probably benefitted the most even if the connection is 600 years ago.  My tester has gained less as we already had good information, but it has confirmed there has been no hanky panky up our line for 100s of years.  I'm glad I paid for the upgrade, as it encouraged two of the closest matches to do the same.  I have no doubt more matches will pop up who will further fill in the branching.

The other tester from another line paid for the test themselves, and we've found it very useful as there's a match whose MRCA is probably about 6 generations back (mid 1700s ish).  Unfortunately he died several years ago (before my relative tested) but we've been able to connect with other members of the family and collaborate on our research.   They're an exact Y37 match.  Some other Y37s have the same surname - 2xGD=1 and GD=2.  The GD=1 are from the same location as the tester's gt-grandfather.  But most of the Y37 matches aren't very useful as Y37 doesn't separate the closer matches from the more distance ones as well as the higher level tests, which may explain your lack of enthusiasm for Y-DNA testing.   

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Your sister's sons have inherited their father's Y-DNA, so a Y-DNA test for them wouldn't help with researching your father's line.  If your first cousin is your father's brother's son then their Y-DNA is from your father's line.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 4th Cousin Twice Removed 75 cm result
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
The mutual matches should give you an indication of whether the connection is up another line.

How many segments?

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One match I have 2nd-3rd cousin (246cM) I am pretty sure could be related to my grandfather, and I have contacted her and we don't yet know how we are related.

When I checked related matches to her, it came up with a bunch of 4th-6th cousin matches to  people that either have the surname McMullan/McMullen or have direct ancestors who share that surname so I assume that is a connection.

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I have on GEDMatch but not the other two. My mum and some of her relatives have on MyHeritage.

246cM is an excellent match - if you're a similar age then you could share gt-grandparents - it's a fairly typical amount for 2nd cousins to share.

I highly recommend you upload to FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage.  LivingDNA has a small database but I have found useful matches there that aren't anywhere else.

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Sorry - the two second cousins had a mutual GREAT-grandfather William, not grandfather.

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Someone did mention this briefly above - the next very important step would be to take a Y-DNA test with FTDNA.  I'm assuming you are male, Dave :-)
A small piece of DNA (completely separate from the DNA examined in your Ancestry test) is passed down from father to son, therefore normally following the paternal surname line.  The idea is that you will match several men with the same surname, possibly indicating the surname of your great-grandfather.  This is the theory, but it doesn't always work like that - as you can well understand, as you yourself did not take his name.
The cheapest Y-37 test would be perfectly adequate for this, to start with (if you upgrade later you just pay the difference).

For one branch of my tree Y-DNA would have been misleading.  We did find four men with the same surname - two in England, one in Canada and one in Australia, but it's a different surname to the name our family has been using.  We realise now that the family name changed about 6 generations ago, and we were using two surnames interchangeably for a couple of generations before that. 

Nevertheless, Y-DNA testing seems quite popular in men in North America whose patrilineal line is from Ireland (because it's often very difficult to  find records that make the jump across the Atlantic) and the matches are usually very enthusiastic.  We've also managed to find a missing grandfather and initially the closest matches on the unknown side were in North America and Ireland.  A bit of a breakthrough started when we were matching 2nd cousins with a mutual grandfather William born in 1820 in Ireland.  And we were all matching a woman with this surname whose ancestors arrived in Canada in the 1830s.  Still couldn't find how they connected to the mystery grandfather down in our part of the world though.  It was three years until the crucial match appeared - descended from the mystery grandfather's sister and we realised the grandfather's mother was a niece of William and had emigrated halfway around the world in the 1870s.

FamilyTreeDNA is rolling out Y-haplogroups for the Family Finder test - have you uploaded or tested there? 


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Have you uploaded your DNA to any other sites?  You may find useful matches at FamilyTreeDNA and MyHeritage.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Friern Barnet Lunatic Asylum, 1892
« on: Friday 25 August 23 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Order of Removal from St Pancras, 1883
Catherine Sarah Fox
- the said pauper is the lawful wife of John Fox now absent from her

In the London Poor Law Records on ancestry,
Camden/St Pancras/Settlement Papers/Settlement and Relief 1883
(images 262-5)

and again, images 357-359
To the Guardians of the Poor of St Giles in the Fields + St George Bloomsbury
Catherine Sarah Fox, 57, a Pauper Lunatic..

I had saved these to my ancestor but the links have changed.  I'm not certain Ancestry has these records any longer unfortunately.

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