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The Common Room / Re: Tracing an illusive Railway employee, London, 1930s
« on: Monday 15 April 24 10:35 BST (UK)  »
SS, I also find the small incidentals make it appear him being the right man. But it's still not a confirmation in itself, which is what I'm now trying to establish to remove doubt. This is why I think trying to fill the gaps, which in themselves are an important part of the story, might be very helpful.

My Mother is appreciative and very interested, but she can't add much to what I tell her as its mostly all new to her. She was a very young child at the time. Neither can I overload her with verbal information as she forgets too easily, so I'm busy collating it into a written report she can read at leisure.

Yet occasionally some obscure snippet drops into conversation that she never mentioned before or couldn't connect to anything specifically. 

This family history research is both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure.

Bob

I'm following this fascinating tale and amazing research as it has echoes of my own search for my mystery grandfather. I so agree with others that DNA would be useful if your mother can be persuaded.  It's just some spit in a tube. But perhaps she is worried about what it might reveal, or concerned that she loses control of her privacy.  DNA tests weren't a thing (or I didn't know about them, or they were too expensive - certainly not on my radar) when my mother wondered more frequently what happened to her own father, and although I did find out a lot about him eventually (thanks to RootsChatters) that then threw up a new mystery as to his father.  My siblings/cousins have tested but her DNA would have been much more valuable for that research.  But I do know my mother was surprised at how much personal information was out there about her family - just things like BMD, newspaper reports and so on.  'You can't keep anything a secret!'

Also I found incidental comments invaluable.  There was an element of truth to all the oft-repeated anecdotes, plus I found just chatting generally about her family revealed more.  Things like 'why did your parents give you your names' - it turned out that her name was in memory of another family member who I hadn't know existed.  Other more general things about life or other family members, led to reminiscences that then triggered other windows into the past.  Such as 'who was your favourite teacher', 'what was your favourite subject' - anything really that's  nothing obviously to do with family history research but leads the conversation down memory lane where all sorts of snippets pop up.

As for occupations of fathers on birth/marriage certificates - in my family at least, their occupations were elevated if not totally fictitious. 

Good luck with your search.

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Other Countries / Re: Jamaica: Flora du/da Costa WAYLAND parents
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 09:10 BST (UK)  »
With the help of Rootschatters via the handwriting section https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=881735.0, Richard Ryland was not related to T F Warren but a much respected friend.  I misread 'much' as 'uncle'.

Richard R was a beneficiary, as was one of his daughters, Emily, if he died, but nothing about his daughter Charlotte benefitting.

So Edward Ryland the conman was likely inventing a legacy for Charlotte in that advert he posted.

None of which helps with Flora Wayland's birth place or who du/da Costa was.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 13:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks MollyC for wading through this - not very exciting reading.

Also thanks JenB and mckha489 for your deciphering and further info.

I wonder why T F Warren singled out Emily Ryland?  She was born 1802 so only 12 when he died. There were a lot of siblings with the older ones, male and female, married off, but she did have a younger sisters born 1808 and 1809 who seemed to have missed out.





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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 10:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that.

Looking further, this will is over several pages and the last page has a note in the margin that expands on the 1858 probate notice I found.

This mentions that the executors didn't administer the will. Richard Ryland and John White are mentioned. Also Charles Nicholas Palmer.

Now a general query - were these wills dictated by someone on their deathbed?  The ones I've seen often are dated very close to the death date. Were they then copied into a ledger to include the date the will was proven?   

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 10:05 BST (UK)  »
What does it say after Richard Ryland in the second snippet please?  Is it another name?  This handwriting style makes my eyes swim. :o

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 10:02 BST (UK)  »
I see  “To my much respected friend Richard Ryland

Emily Ryland is Richard’s daughter, she gets his share if he has died.

Thanks. I misread 'much' as uncle.  Misled by the aunt reference beforehand. 

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 10:01 BST (UK)  »
The next page looks like Richard Ryland is a friend?  Edit: ignore the red dot. Mistakenly added when I snipped.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1814 will and beneficiaries
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 09:53 BST (UK)  »
I've attached part of a will of Thomas Fullerton Warren from the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, probate date 7 Jan 1814.  He was born in Jamaica but died in London aged 33.

I'm finding it difficult to decipher some of the details of who benefited and from what.

Background: He was a son of Revd Thomas Warren (rector and clerk, St Elizabeth, Jamaica, who died only a few years earlier) who was a plantation and slave owner.  T F Warren's sisters Harriet and Mary Ann or Marianne were also born in Jamaica (along with other siblings) but died in London in 1861 and 1859 respectively at Portman Square. 78 and 80 years old. Harriet is on the 1861 census in Portman Square.  There is some info on Rev Thomas Warren and Thomas F Warren on the website for the Centre for the Study of the Legacies of British Slavery at UCL ( https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/21466536350 ) where it mentions ownership of Brompton Pen and an estate, Lacovia, in Jamaica, and the contents of T F Warren's will leaving his real and personal estate in Jamaica in trust for his sisters.

I'm more interested in Richard Ryland the uncle as I can't find the relationship between the two.  Unless he wasn't strictly an uncle - perhaps a great uncle or another relative?

I can read that T F Warren has bequeathed sums of money to his aunt Mrs Mary Brown and his uncle Richard Ryland of Savage Gardens, London, but I can't decipher the words that appear before 'uncle Richard Ryland Esquire..' or after the words 'five hundred pounds'.

I can see names such as someone's daughter Mrs Emily Ryland, and granddaughter Harriet Fitzgerald of Reverend Thomas Coxton (?) late of Jamaica.

Also a servant James Williams getting an annuity for the rest of his natural life, and his wearing/training (?) apparel and some other items/stipulations that I can't decipher but seems to take up a lot of space!

It then moves on to his four sisters, Elizabeth Sarah Henkell, Dorothy Owen, Harriet Warren (but can't see Mariann - she might be on the next page).

I'll post another snippet from the next page that also mentions Richard Ryland.





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