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The Bicester Herald has reports of childrens activities at Bicester Parish Church, i.e. Sunday School, Bible Class.
Edith Baker is in a few of these.
12 January 1912
Prizes for attendance and good conduct at the Sunday School gained by various boys, girls, infants
including Girls VII - Edith Baker, Mabel Smith, Nellie Pinchin

A report, 1 August 1913, on the funeral of Mrs. Mary Ann Baker, widow of Henry Baker. Age 89.
The mourners included Mrs. Edward Baker (daughter in law) and Mrs. J. Smith (granddaughter)
Flowers sent by children (and possibly others), including "Edie". Who may or may not be Edith Baker? :-\

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Staffordshire / Re: Elizabeth Hooper b. 1821 Wolverhampton
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 22:06 BST (UK)  »
There is a Mary Hooper buried in Wolverhampton, 25 August 1835.
But her age is 1.

Likely she was the daughter of John (miner/labourer) and Hannah.
Children in Wolverhampton, John, 1828-1829, Elizabeth, 1829-1831, Elizabeth, 1832-?, Mary 1834-1835

Who were they?
And what happened to Francis's Mary, wife of John?

Abode on the burial of Elizabeth Hooper in Tipton in 1825 was New Row, which may not be particularly helpful.

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Staffordshire / Re: Elizabeth Hooper b. 1821 Wolverhampton
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 16:41 BST (UK)  »
She was the daughter of John Hooper (1789-1849) and Mary (1792-1835)

There is a Mary Hooper buried in Wolverhampton, 25 August 1835.
But her age is 1.

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Sussex / Re: Richard Barton
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 19:55 BST (UK)  »
A belated baptism at Heathfield!
23 April 1786
David, Son of Richard & Sarah Barton
aged 21 years
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQ3-WC5

A marriage two days later at Heathfield, 25 April 1786
David Barton & Sarah Hayward
Both of the Parish
By Banns
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6RQ3-ZVW

Another Barton marriage there on the opposite page.

Burial at Heathfield, 23 October 1823
David Barton
Abode Heathfield
Age 59 yrs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DMS-J3K

And back on image 275
17 July 1822
Sarah, Wife of David Barton
Abode Heathfield
Age 62 yrs

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Thanks, Rosie. Yes, a lot to take in. And still a long way to go!
John

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What does Aceh think now? Has any progress made on this problem?

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I'm dropping her and returning to the pre 1538s.

Do come back, Aceh. It's easier to make progress in the 19th century then that far back!

The birth was registered by Joseph Hale, father

So he obviously existed.
Funnily enough, since Susan (aka Sarah) says she was born in St Clement Danes, there is a Joseph Hale there in the 1841 census! Age 35, Shoemaker, born in the county.
Perhaps they weren't together when the census was taken.

Re a death.
We know the Hales were in the East London registration district.
If we take Frances Hale, mother Williams, 1843-1844, as one of theirs, then there is a change when William's birth was registered in 1846.

These may be the sons' birth registrations and my guess is that there is no father named on either.
HALE, WILLIAM        -     
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 231

HALE, THOMAS        -     
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 228

Mary naming her father as John instead of Joseph is probably because she had no memory of him

Of course the Williams maiden name is back later on the births of Henry and Edward, but that just means that mum gave fuller information about herself. There may be no father named on the certificates. Joseph being named on the baptisms of the boys may have been done for propriety's sake (of course she may have fibbed on those last two certificates as well!)

So if Joseph had died before 1846, rather than just disappeared, there is this possibility in the quarter following the one for Frances

HALE, JOSEPH       
Age at Death (in years): 42 
GRO Reference: 1844  S Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION  Volume 02  Page 167

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Mary was married on 23 December 1857 at St Paul's Finsbury, Middlesex, to Alfred Cullmer of the Royal London Militia.

Mary has been found in the 1851 Census she is recorded, aged 13 and born in Brighton, as the daughter of Sarah Hale, widow, Shoe Closer, born: "n K".

Mary appears again, in the 1881 Census, as married to Alfred Cullmer with her place of birth confirmed as Brighton.

Mary has been recorded as Coleman in the 1871 census
111 Curtain Road, Shoreditch
Mary Coleman Head Widow 34 Bag handle Maker
Alfred Coleman Son 12 Scholar
Rose Coleman Daur 13 Scholar
All born Middlesex Shoreditch

In 1881 Mary Culmer says she is married, but is on her own. She is 42, Bag Handle Maker, born Sussex Brighton

There are workhouse admissions for Mary and her children in Holborn and Shoreditch, 1868-1872

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1871
7 Hanover Court, Cripplegate
Susan Hale Head Widow 57 Needle woman, born Middlesex St Clements Danes
Thomas Hale Son 17 Machine Boy
Henry Hale Son 13 Scholar
Edward Hale Son 11 Scholar
The boys all born Middlesex Cripplegate

1881
At 3 Ropemaker Street, Cripplegate.
Susan Hale Head Widow 67 Pickett St Strand City (City has been crossed out)
With her are sons Wiliam, 34, and Edward, 21

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