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Yes well done. The newspaper report I have says " a big surprise has been created in Welsh football association circles  by the dismissal from the mid-Rhonda club at 14 days notice of three of their players. Mc candles, outside left, capped on several occasions by Ireland: Doran, centre forward, formerly of Brighton and Manchester City and Irish international and Cyril Thomas, a right half, well known in Welsh football circles. The dismissals are due to an alleged breach of club discipline which the players deny. Dorian, in an interview said that he will appeal to the players union. They all complain of being dismissed without hearing"

I'll try what you suggest to look in the papers. In the family We are desperate to know what they did.

I've just read about the other two and their subsequent careers but no mention yet of what they did

Hi all,
I am looking for help learning about my paternal ancestors. I am limited by my lack of Welsh and of geography and the fact they all have the same names. I want to find out about the roberts family 'the respected clan of robertses, who for generations have resided as sheep farmers in the hills of Caron upper and the borders of Radnor and brecknock' according to a newspaper obit from late 1800s.

I know from a few old newspaper articles that a few of their family weddings took place at the Calvinistic Methodist chapel at pontrhydfendigaid and 'the parish church' strata Florida. I know the family lived at Frongoch farm. The roberts married the Bonnors and Evans. There are several other addresses, I think names of neighbouring farms, on the census but I can't read them.

Morgan roberts, born 1815 was listed in the census as being a sheep farmer of 1788 acres. I think his father was David Roberts and so was his father.

Can anyone point me in the direction of somewhere I can find information in the family? It would be really nice to add some character to the facts.

Thanks in advance

Yes that is very possible. Nana does think it was more likely to be an institution rather prison. Might explain the animosity towards his wife throughout the family if he was 'driven' to it and never got out. I will probably never know for sure

To be honest I have had limited success tracing the siblings. They have such common names its almost impossible.

Sister...Francis 1864 Lupton, I know was married to a farmer possibly called barrow, or her duaghter possibly married a farmer call barrow, daughters maiden name unknown. Ive never found them even though I have their house address.

Sisters..Mary 1866 Lupton and Fanny 1866 Lupton, I've never found them but I did find a baby called Ann 1880 (grand daughter) in the house with the the parents so I assume she belonged to one of the girls.

Brother Edward 1867 Lupton, he was married, had children then went on the run. Police gazette for his arrest. Never seen again.

Brother John 1870 Lupton, my ancester. James was never seen again after the arrest/commital.

Brother George 1873 Lupton, he stayed with parents then went on to live alone.

Sister Alice 1875 Whittington, emigrated to Canada

Brother William 1878 Hutton Roof,  Ive never found out anything about this sibling at all

Then James

I will try again today perhaps and see if anything turns up. I wish, not for the first time, that they would have given their children original names

I hadnt even considered ships. Im ordering his birth certificate now for the actual date of birth. Its addictive