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Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Saturday 25 June 22 09:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello cousin Andrew  :) good to see you are a match to my sisters kit number. You're welcome to add our line to your tree if you wish, I would like to add yours if possible, you could PM me. Your Caroline and my Samuel were siblings born to John Phillips 1782 and Catherine (Charles??).

My 3 x grandfather Samuel Phillips 1826 - 1892 and Emily Ness 1829.-1892 were married 9th August 1847 at St. Martins, Birmingham. 9 children.

2 x grandfather John Phillips born 10th April 1851 at Grosvenor Street. He married Harriet Selina Hayes 1853 - 1916 on 19th May 1872 at St. James the Less, Birmingham. 8 children.
Johns brother Samuel was married to Harriets sister. Harriet was born in Hampton in Arden. I don't know when John died.

Great grandfather Albert Phillips 1873 - 1949 married Sarah Wall 1868 - 1901
on 24th October 1893 at St.Johns, Deritend. 2 children.
Albert joined the Duke of Cornwalls light infantry on 12th July 1891 and dipped in and out of service. He was sent to South Africa and while he was away Sarah died in the courtyard of her home on 15 December 1901.Death certificate says probably heart failure..
While he was away Sarahs sister Jane (Mary Jane) came to look after my grandmother and her brother and never left. Albert and Jane went on to have 3 children together but they never married. On the 1911 census it states that they had been married 17 or 18 years but that is not true,the dates just happen to coincide with the number of years Sarah and Albert would have been married in 1911.

My grandmother Celia Grace Phillips 1895-1965 married my grandad Benjamin Charles Ainsworth 1892-1950
They married January 1917 at the Registry Office, Birmingham. Grandad was injured and on crutches when he married nan, injury sustained in France.

They went on to have four children.

Hope this is of interest, PM me if you want.

Warwickshire / Re: Salvation Army Working Mens Home 26 Loveday Street
« on: Friday 24 June 22 13:00 BST (UK)  »
Annbee, I agree entirely. Most of my ancestors lived in the back to back houses which were cramped and overcrowded. Dad used to say to us that the past was in the past and that was where it should stay,we had to tread very carefully.

We started delving because we wanted to find out about his beloved maternal grandmother who he adored. We did find and visit her grave for him. We also found out that her father was a bigamist at least twice over..... We never did tell dad!

Warwickshire / Re: Salvation Army Working Mens Home 26 Loveday Street
« on: Friday 24 June 22 08:44 BST (UK)  »
Annbee, It's so sad that your great grandparents failed to help their sons children especially when he was killed France in 1916. However, its fantastic that you are now in contact with a descendant of his.

At least we were able to tell dad in recent times that his grandfather ended up with his daughter eventually.

Thank you for posting the picture of the Salvation Army hostel, I hadn't seen that before.

Warwickshire / Re: Salvation Army Working Mens Home 26 Loveday Street
« on: Thursday 23 June 22 11:19 BST (UK)  »
My great grandfather James Alfred Cattell stayed at the Salvation Hostel in Loveday Street for a time.My late father remembered being taken by his dad to meet him outside the hostel, this would be in the mid to late 1920's, dad had no other memory of his grandfather. This troubled dad later in life because he couldn't understand why family didn't taken him in. However, we found out that later on he was living with a daughter.

Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Monday 20 June 22 22:58 BST (UK)  »
Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Sunday 19 June 22 15:26 BST (UK)  »
Hello Andrew I've sent you a PM.

Best wishes.

Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Friday 17 June 22 11:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello Andrew, I'm going to be seeing some of the family tomorrow, if I get chance I'll ask about DNA. The past few years everyday life has taken over so there isn't as much enthusiasm about it but I'll do my best.

We went to Birmingham Central Library pre pandemic days to view the inquest papers for Samuel and Emily. Very sad.

Best wishes

Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Wednesday 15 June 22 10:30 BST (UK)  »
Good morning. Unfortunately we don't know the date or the place of marriage for Catherine Charles and John Phillips.

With regards to DNA, yes, some of the family have tested with Ancestry. I am not on Ancestry myself however. My sister and I and two cousins (our mothers were sisters) have the same maternal grandmother Celia Grace Phillips 1895 - 1965. daughter of Albert Phillips and Sarah Wall. Alberts father was John Phillips son of Samuel and Emily.

Here is a little additional information on Samuel and Emily.

Emily passed away on 2nd March 1892 at Queens Hospital, Birmingham.
She had fallen down the stairs whilst carrying a paraffin lamp setting herself alight. She initially refused to go to hospital. Inquest was held. Her burial was 9th March 1892 at Witton Cemetery.

Samuel passed away 3rd April 1892 at 40 Penn Street, Birmingham. He chocked on his vomit whilst drunk. Inquest held, verdict Accidental death. He was buried 9th April 1892 also at Witton.

I found these deaths very sad,poor Emily and Samuel and their family left behind.

Warwickshire / Re: John Phillips
« on: Tuesday 14 June 22 13:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I am following this thread with interest because Samuel Phillips 1826 - 1892 and Emily Ness 1829 - 1892 are my 3 x great grandparents. Note Emily is Ness not Nest, that stumped us for a while.

We have John Phillips 1782 - 1852  married to Catherine Charles birthplace Coleshill, If that's correct.

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