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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Monday 10 December 18 06:57 GMT (UK)  »
To be frank, I'd trust Genetic Affairs to just run the matching and produce the table and not share the match list more than I would trust some of my matches to not go sharing a mutual match list somewhere they shouldn't.

Here's their privacy policy
https://www.geneticaffairs.com/privacy-policy.html

It is up to you who you trust with your data. It is not (or at least should not be) up to you to decide who to trust with other peopleís data.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Monday 10 December 18 06:52 GMT (UK)  »
This is a business model which is based on gaining access to information belonging to people who have not consented to that access.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Monday 10 December 18 06:35 GMT (UK)  »
I know they have minimum cMs set as 9 if you want, but you can also set cousin matches anywhere from 1st to 5th cousins. Unfortunately they are having problems with Ancestry at the moment so that isn't currently working, but I did do one with FTDNA which has helped me no end. This is what it looks like, as a visual aid, but you also get loads of the info represented in spreadsheets etc.

Have you and whoever is calling themselves Genetic Affairs considered the privacy issues raised earlier in this thread? You are not just giving access to your own data but to that of other people. I have not yet heard back from either Ancestry or FTDNA but I have asked if handing over log ins to Genetic Affairs and thus access to information belonging to other people is consistent with the conditions of service. In the meantime you might like to have a look at those conditions yourself, including clause 6 of the FTDNA ones.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 20:24 GMT (UK)  »

I don't think it is accessing the raw data.

I think what it is doing is going through and finding ALL the shared matches (i.e. two people who share more than 20cM) for you and putting this in a table.

It still involves people handing over their log ins so that a third party website can access data (including names of course) of people who have not consented to this.

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World War One / Re: William T Cosby b. 1878 Royal Engineers
« on: Saturday 08 December 18 00:41 GMT (UK)  »
Would posting the photo help? Might that give the experts more clues? That is just a question as I have no background in this area, just enjoy following the queries and trying to learn a bit. I also enjoy looking at the photos and reading what can be deduced from them so have to admit I may have a sort of ulterior motive.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Friday 07 December 18 18:56 GMT (UK)  »
I agree. I do wonder if they are allowing access to the company concerned, however, or if customers are breaching their terms and conditions by handing over their login ( which seems an extraordinary thing to agree to do by the way). Nonetheless FTDNA has a responsibility to the rest of us (or at least I hope they do!) and should have been able to detect this activity and the use of their name on the Genetic Affairs website, if this is unauthorised.

Added: clause 6C(iv) of the Terms of Service for FTDNA says users agree not to post or share any personís personal, proprietary or confidential information without their permission.

I have also emailed Ancestry to ask about consistency with their terms and conditions of service.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Friday 07 December 18 18:27 GMT (UK)  »
I have just emailed FTDNA to ask whether use of this site is consistent with their terms and conditions.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Friday 07 December 18 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
[quote author=davidft link=topic=804727.msg6631204#msg6631204
3. I am not sure how sites like Ancestry, ftDNA etc can justify this (yes I know they will argue that it is the account holders giving their permission but that is not wholly true is it
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I wonder if they do justify it or whether it is a breach of the terms and conditions to allow it? Do not FTDNA and My Heritage at least say they comply with EU privacy standards? But if they are not able to stop users handing over their passwords to other sites which then mine the data, that sounds to me like a major breach of privacy.Every person has many thousands of matches linked to their account who will have no say over the decision to allow access.

I am now wondering whether I should delete my results from the sites if my matches are giving access to random third party sites?

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: New website: auto-clustering your matches
« on: Friday 07 December 18 07:51 GMT (UK)  »
You make good points about other accounts, Sugarfizzle. However, I may have misunderstood what the site does, but are you not also loading information about your matches?

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